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I appreciate your chain of logic but don’t agree with it. If what you are saying was true, rich families would have more kids than poor families in the US and

I appreciate your chain of logic but don’t agree with it. If what you are saying was true, rich families would have more kids than poor families in the US and the opposite is true. The families that had 5/7 kids a hundred years ago were objectively way poorer than the “I can’t afford a kid” crowd today.

orwin 3y ago
Rich families do have more kids than working poor families in all western nations. If you're a poor, 2 person household in a city, you have two main choices (all other choices means leaving the city you live in) : - Work and stay poor, but comfortable enough. This means maybe getting enough money on the side to buy a big appartement then start a family at 40-45 yo (20 years ago you had the same choice, except the age was 30-35. It's worst in more expensive cities). - Try to get on welfare and have kids asap. You'll have to live in a worse area, with less disposable income, you'll be a bit hungry sometimes, but it might be worth it. If you have family/support system in the area whose reputation can protect you from the worse, it's all good (hence 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants have more opportunities to make this choice, as their support system is often stronger than 5th-Xth gen immigrants or native Americans). Do you have kids yourself? Are you a low-income worker? How much do you have each months after paying rent+utilities+food? Because I remember clearly my parents earning less than that cost, and trying to do calculations to avoid downgrading to a smaller house. They couldn't avoid it and I shared a room with my brother until I was 16, when I joined a 'boarding school' (closest translation I could find, but it was public, free and not at all like Anglo boarding schools).
- xyzelement 3y ago
  // Rich families do have more kids than working poor families in all western nations. Not true at all. Please see this data[1] for birth rate by income level (US, 2019) Lowest income women give 40% more births than the richest women. The relationship is consistent across income levels. The more you make the fewer kids you have. [1]https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-fam...

orwin 3y ago

Rich families do have more kids than working poor families in all western nations. If you're a poor, 2 person household in a city, you have two main choices (all other choices means leaving the city you live in) : - Work and stay poor, but comfortable enough. This means maybe getting enough money on the side to buy a big appartement then start a family at 40-45 yo (20 years ago you had the same choice, except the age was 30-35. It's worst in more expensive cities). - Try to get on welfare and have kids asap. You'll have to live in a worse area, with less disposable income, you'll be a bit hungry sometimes, but it might be worth it. If you have family/support system in the area whose reputation can protect you from the worse, it's all good (hence 2nd and 3rd gen immigrants have more opportunities to make this choice, as their support system is often stronger than 5th-Xth gen immigrants or native Americans). Do you have kids yourself? Are you a low-income worker? How much do you have each months after paying rent+utilities+food? Because I remember clearly my parents earning less than that cost, and trying to do calculations to avoid downgrading to a smaller house. They couldn't avoid it and I shared a room with my brother until I was 16, when I joined a 'boarding school' (closest translation I could find, but it was public, free and not at all like Anglo boarding schools).

xyzelement 3y ago
// Rich families do have more kids than working poor families in all western nations. Not true at all. Please see this data[1] for birth rate by income level (US, 2019) Lowest income women give 40% more births than the richest women. The relationship is consistent across income levels. The more you make the fewer kids you have. [1]https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-family-income-in-the-us/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/241530/birth-rate-by-fam...