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> I would never buy an Apple device Why not?

by unsupp0rted 3y ago

throwaway2990 3y ago
“Apple bad” probably.
lopis 3y ago
Because despite being currently at the forefront of technology, Apple has shown time and time again to be anti-user.
repelsteeltje 3y ago
Good question. I would like to hear OPs answer. Personally I've been tempted by the hardware, but I don't care for Apple's software bundle (MacOS, iTunes, etc.). With the M-series they have show indifference/reluctance/hostility to work with other vendors and the open source community. Asahi Linux has made major progress, but despite support from Apple. Another (minor) frustration is the keyboard layout. I'm user to having backspace, delete, insert. Finally, Apple's offerings are a bit heavier that the ~1kg ultrabook I like to work with. [Summary] I wouldn't say I would never buy Apple, but so far they haven't presented products appealing to me. And at the root that is caused by their approach to stewarding their "ecosystem".
- ivolimmen 3y ago
  I am a linux fanboy. I have worked on an Apple macbook before and I did not like it. Apple is too expensive for what they offer (my opinion).
Xiol32 3y ago
No OP, but UK keyboard layout on Apple devices sucks, seperately from overriding decades of muscle memory reaching for cmd instead of ctrl. Could never get used to UI/workflow. No native window snapping (back in the day at least). Workarounds required for a lot of my tooling, no native containers, until recently no native VM solution (believe UTM solves this). Brew. As a disclaimer I do think Linux with Gnome provides the absolute best developer experience so you can take all my opinions with that in hand.
- vasdae 3y ago
  >overriding decades of muscle memory reaching for cmd instead of ctrl You get used to this in three days.
  - Xiol32 3y ago
    Then you go back to your other devices and get it wrong there instead.
    - vasdae 3y ago
      If that's the issue then configure your mac to switch command and control. It's somewhere in settings.
    - eviks 3y ago
      Then you do some simple remap on your other devices and live a consistently happy life after that
- ivolimmen 3y ago
  I completely agree with you. As a developer working with containers; Linux is the only viable option.
- eviks 3y ago
  I don't get it, the button swap is trivial to configure, how can it be such an important criticism? (though the cmd key is more comfortably located, so it's better to do the swap on Windows)
  - deleted 3y ago
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- hotnfresh 3y ago
  > No OP, but UK keyboard layout on Apple devices sucks, seperately from overriding decades of muscle memory reaching for cmd instead of ctrl. Is cmd somewhere else on UK Apple keyboards, than on US ones? If it's like the US ones, I spent my first 25ish computing years on Windows and Linux (and Sun, et c.—point is, not Mac) but after getting used to Mac's shortcuts, I gotta hand it to them: what they've done is more correct than what everyone else is doing. Ctrl-shortcuts involve more stretching and wrist movement, so, are slower and push one closer to RSI, and putting more common shortcuts on cmd than ctrl leads to fewer collisions (no awkwardness in the terminal, for example).
thefz 3y ago
Personally, you pay for a thing that you can't modify in any way and it ends up being not yours. I don't trust the software either.

> I would never buy an Apple device Why not?

throwaway2990 3y ago

“Apple bad” probably.

lopis 3y ago

Because despite being currently at the forefront of technology, Apple has shown time and time again to be anti-user.

repelsteeltje 3y ago

Good question. I would like to hear OPs answer. Personally I've been tempted by the hardware, but I don't care for Apple's software bundle (MacOS, iTunes, etc.). With the M-series they have show indifference/reluctance/hostility to work with other vendors and the open source community. Asahi Linux has made major progress, but despite support from Apple. Another (minor) frustration is the keyboard layout. I'm user to having backspace, delete, insert. Finally, Apple's offerings are a bit heavier that the ~1kg ultrabook I like to work with. [Summary] I wouldn't say I would never buy Apple, but so far they haven't presented products appealing to me. And at the root that is caused by their approach to stewarding their "ecosystem".

ivolimmen 3y ago
I am a linux fanboy. I have worked on an Apple macbook before and I did not like it. Apple is too expensive for what they offer (my opinion).

Xiol32 3y ago

No OP, but UK keyboard layout on Apple devices sucks, seperately from overriding decades of muscle memory reaching for cmd instead of ctrl. Could never get used to UI/workflow. No native window snapping (back in the day at least). Workarounds required for a lot of my tooling, no native containers, until recently no native VM solution (believe UTM solves this). Brew. As a disclaimer I do think Linux with Gnome provides the absolute best developer experience so you can take all my opinions with that in hand.

vasdae 3y ago
>overriding decades of muscle memory reaching for cmd instead of ctrl You get used to this in three days.
- Xiol32 3y ago
  Then you go back to your other devices and get it wrong there instead.
  - vasdae 3y ago
    If that's the issue then configure your mac to switch command and control. It's somewhere in settings.
  - eviks 3y ago
    Then you do some simple remap on your other devices and live a consistently happy life after that
ivolimmen 3y ago
I completely agree with you. As a developer working with containers; Linux is the only viable option.
eviks 3y ago
I don't get it, the button swap is trivial to configure, how can it be such an important criticism? (though the cmd key is more comfortably located, so it's better to do the swap on Windows)
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
hotnfresh 3y ago
> No OP, but UK keyboard layout on Apple devices sucks, seperately from overriding decades of muscle memory reaching for cmd instead of ctrl. Is cmd somewhere else on UK Apple keyboards, than on US ones? If it's like the US ones, I spent my first 25ish computing years on Windows and Linux (and Sun, et c.—point is, not Mac) but after getting used to Mac's shortcuts, I gotta hand it to them: what they've done is more correct than what everyone else is doing. Ctrl-shortcuts involve more stretching and wrist movement, so, are slower and push one closer to RSI, and putting more common shortcuts on cmd than ctrl leads to fewer collisions (no awkwardness in the terminal, for example).

thefz 3y ago

Personally, you pay for a thing that you can't modify in any way and it ends up being not yours. I don't trust the software either.