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Open source Datadog alternative SigNoz crosses 15K GitHub stars

57 points by pranay01 3y ago

api 3y ago
Datadog is shockingly expensive, so I can definitely see something like this taking off.
- overstay8930 3y ago
  I never understood why people pay so much for Datadog, seems like such a weird business model where people use it only because it's convenient but after implementing Datadog their only goal is to use it as a stop gap before they use something cheaper (i.e. Cloudwatch)
  - api 3y ago
    "This is convenient we'll use this as a stopgap..." ... "How do we get away from this thing?!? It costs more than our entire cloud environment, but compliance and marketing both require access to these logs!"
  - smrtinsert 3y ago
    Datadog can trace and group seemingly any kind of app and data flow into seemingly any type of alert or dashboard configuration you can think of and many you can't. It is shockingly useful in a complex system. If you have a monolith, you don't need it, full stop. It's just become the default choice because you need modern observability and its a good bet from that perspective.
  - nine_zeros 3y ago
    > I never understood why people pay so much for Datadog, seems like such a weird business model where people use it only because it's convenient but after implementing Datadog their only goal is to use it as a stop gap before they use something cheaper (i.e. Cloudwatch) Once you really use it, the observability it provides is first class. You can look at metrics, traces, logs all connected to each other and build out amazing reliable systems. You start getting so many metrics right out of the box, that alone makes it super useful to developers, product and business folks. Combine some RUM with it and all of a sudden, you can see pretty much everything happening with your services 24/7, in a way that suits your own needs. And all of this with seriously low latency to detection. It feels like a top quality service built by top notch engineers. Cloudwatch doesn't even come close. That said, I agree that Datadog is EXPENSIVE.
MrRolleyes 3y ago
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brunoqc 3y ago
> All content that resides under the "ee/" directory of this repository, if that directory exists, is licensed under the license defined in "ee/LICENSE" Doesn't that make it "open-core"?
- marcinzm 3y ago
  I also can't find any description of what is in the Open Source version and what is in the not Open Source version. Does the README cover both or just one?
  - 0xbadcafebee 3y ago
    The LICENSE file explains what is covered by what
    - deng 3y ago
      The LICENSE file does not explain which features are exclusive to the 'Teams' or 'Enterprise' plan of SigNoz. You need to dig through the documentation to find that. For instance, when you check for setting up SAML at https://signoz.io/docs/userguide/sso-authentication/#saml-based-authentication https://signoz.io/docs/userguide/sso-authentication/#saml-ba..., you will find that it is not available in the free version. I don't have a problem with open-core software, but please, be open about it and show a feature matrix of how the different versions compare.
      - mcmcmc 3y ago
        Add ‘em to the list: https://sso.tax/ https://sso.tax/
- NathanFlurry 3y ago
  Imo almost every "open source" VC-backed startup is actually "open core" (including us.) I'm yet to see a startup that doesn't have a significant closed-source or restrictively-licensed component. My philosophy for both creating & consuming OSS: the core needs to (a) have an OSI-approved license (read: no BSL, SSPL), (b) needs to be useful without the closed source component, and (c) needs to be easy to run without the closed source component. Otherwise, see [1]. I also avoid AGPL, even though it is OSI-approved. TC has a good take on the economics of fully open source companies [2]. [1] https://openwashing.org/ https://openwashing.org/ [2] https://techcrunch.com/2014/02/13/please-dont-tell-me-you-want-to-be-the-next-red-hat/ https://techcrunch.com/2014/02/13/please-dont-tell-me-you-wa...
dist-epoch 3y ago
That's like 1.5 mil followers on Instagram. I wonder what it's like to be that famous!
m3kw9 3y ago
Eventually they all get monetized and you end up with Datadog but a different flavour
- serverlessmom 3y ago
  Without vendor lock-in, OpenTelemetry observability companies can never gouge you as badly as Datadog does.
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trog 3y ago
Every time I read about open source alternatives to big ticket commercial software I get excited right up until the point where I click on the link and see that it has a 'pricing' link

57 points by pranay01 3y ago

api 3y ago

Datadog is shockingly expensive, so I can definitely see something like this taking off.

overstay8930 3y ago
I never understood why people pay so much for Datadog, seems like such a weird business model where people use it only because it's convenient but after implementing Datadog their only goal is to use it as a stop gap before they use something cheaper (i.e. Cloudwatch)
- api 3y ago
  "This is convenient we'll use this as a stopgap..." ... "How do we get away from this thing?!? It costs more than our entire cloud environment, but compliance and marketing both require access to these logs!"
- smrtinsert 3y ago
  Datadog can trace and group seemingly any kind of app and data flow into seemingly any type of alert or dashboard configuration you can think of and many you can't. It is shockingly useful in a complex system. If you have a monolith, you don't need it, full stop. It's just become the default choice because you need modern observability and its a good bet from that perspective.
- nine_zeros 3y ago
  > I never understood why people pay so much for Datadog, seems like such a weird business model where people use it only because it's convenient but after implementing Datadog their only goal is to use it as a stop gap before they use something cheaper (i.e. Cloudwatch) Once you really use it, the observability it provides is first class. You can look at metrics, traces, logs all connected to each other and build out amazing reliable systems. You start getting so many metrics right out of the box, that alone makes it super useful to developers, product and business folks. Combine some RUM with it and all of a sudden, you can see pretty much everything happening with your services 24/7, in a way that suits your own needs. And all of this with seriously low latency to detection. It feels like a top quality service built by top notch engineers. Cloudwatch doesn't even come close. That said, I agree that Datadog is EXPENSIVE.

MrRolleyes 3y ago

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brunoqc 3y ago

> All content that resides under the "ee/" directory of this repository, if that directory exists, is licensed under the license defined in "ee/LICENSE" Doesn't that make it "open-core"?

marcinzm 3y ago
I also can't find any description of what is in the Open Source version and what is in the not Open Source version. Does the README cover both or just one?
- 0xbadcafebee 3y ago
  The LICENSE file explains what is covered by what
  - deng 3y ago
    The LICENSE file does not explain which features are exclusive to the 'Teams' or 'Enterprise' plan of SigNoz. You need to dig through the documentation to find that. For instance, when you check for setting up SAML at https://signoz.io/docs/userguide/sso-authentication/#saml-based-authentication https://signoz.io/docs/userguide/sso-authentication/#saml-ba..., you will find that it is not available in the free version. I don't have a problem with open-core software, but please, be open about it and show a feature matrix of how the different versions compare.
    - mcmcmc 3y ago
      Add ‘em to the list: https://sso.tax/ https://sso.tax/
NathanFlurry 3y ago
Imo almost every "open source" VC-backed startup is actually "open core" (including us.) I'm yet to see a startup that doesn't have a significant closed-source or restrictively-licensed component. My philosophy for both creating & consuming OSS: the core needs to (a) have an OSI-approved license (read: no BSL, SSPL), (b) needs to be useful without the closed source component, and (c) needs to be easy to run without the closed source component. Otherwise, see [1]. I also avoid AGPL, even though it is OSI-approved. TC has a good take on the economics of fully open source companies [2]. [1] https://openwashing.org/ https://openwashing.org/ [2] https://techcrunch.com/2014/02/13/please-dont-tell-me-you-want-to-be-the-next-red-hat/ https://techcrunch.com/2014/02/13/please-dont-tell-me-you-wa...

dist-epoch 3y ago

That's like 1.5 mil followers on Instagram. I wonder what it's like to be that famous!

m3kw9 3y ago

Eventually they all get monetized and you end up with Datadog but a different flavour

serverlessmom 3y ago
Without vendor lock-in, OpenTelemetry observability companies can never gouge you as badly as Datadog does.

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trog 3y ago

Every time I read about open source alternatives to big ticket commercial software I get excited right up until the point where I click on the link and see that it has a 'pricing' link