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> you are literally seeing the benefit from upgrading right now, mesh shaders increase performance and reduce VRAM utilization substantially. And yet, games we

> you are literally seeing the benefit from upgrading right now, mesh shaders increase performance and reduce VRAM utilization substantially. And yet, games were able to get on just fine without them for decades. Remedy's previous games worked just fine without them! What's so special about this one that suddenly prevents it from running acceptably without it? Would anything of value have been lost if they had just reused the Control engine?

paulmd 3y ago
what’s so special about quake 3 that it needs hardware transform and lighting? Previous games worked fine without it, even previous games from the same company! I dunno dude, which pebble is responsible for the avalanche? Graphics standards move forward, why wouldn’t you have coded it in DX9 instead of DX11? Also Alan Wake 1 came out in like 2008 or something, why would we literally want to be stuck in 2008 level graphics forever?
- Nullabillity 3y ago
  Can you reliably tell the difference in a double blind test? And choosing to compare against AW1 rather than a newer title which still didn't require this kind of bullshit (like Control) says enough about what kind of faith you come into this with.
  - paulmd 3y ago
    Can I tell the difference between 2008 games and 2022 games in a blind test? yes. I had a 7850, then 280. I was an early adopter of gsync etc. I returned a 295x2 unopened (for $450 or something, regret) to game for $270 XB270HU IPS and 780 Ti for $185 after maxwell launched. I've had 1080, I've had 1080 Ti, I know what I'm talking about.
    - Nullabillity 3y ago
      > Can I tell the difference between 2008 games and 2022 games in a blind test? That wasn't the question.
- allarm 3y ago
  > what’s so special about quake 3 It's very much obvious to everyone that there was something special about q3, but there's a lot less of the special about the games in the current year. This comparison is unfair and manipulative.
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paulmd 3y ago

what’s so special about quake 3 that it needs hardware transform and lighting? Previous games worked fine without it, even previous games from the same company! I dunno dude, which pebble is responsible for the avalanche? Graphics standards move forward, why wouldn’t you have coded it in DX9 instead of DX11? Also Alan Wake 1 came out in like 2008 or something, why would we literally want to be stuck in 2008 level graphics forever?

Nullabillity 3y ago
Can you reliably tell the difference in a double blind test? And choosing to compare against AW1 rather than a newer title which still didn't require this kind of bullshit (like Control) says enough about what kind of faith you come into this with.
- paulmd 3y ago
  Can I tell the difference between 2008 games and 2022 games in a blind test? yes. I had a 7850, then 280. I was an early adopter of gsync etc. I returned a 295x2 unopened (for $450 or something, regret) to game for $270 XB270HU IPS and 780 Ti for $185 after maxwell launched. I've had 1080, I've had 1080 Ti, I know what I'm talking about.
  - Nullabillity 3y ago
    > Can I tell the difference between 2008 games and 2022 games in a blind test? That wasn't the question.
allarm 3y ago
> what’s so special about quake 3 It's very much obvious to everyone that there was something special about q3, but there's a lot less of the special about the games in the current year. This comparison is unfair and manipulative.

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