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> There is no doubt that lens units can be made thinner, lighter, and less expensive, and if applied to smartphone cameras, the protrusion on the back can be el

> There is no doubt that lens units can be made thinner, lighter, and less expensive, and if applied to smartphone cameras, the protrusion on the back can be eliminated. I always get so much fun asking 'pEoPLe NEED thIn phOnEs' people to tell which model is made in 2023 and which one is made in 2011: Exhibit 1 H: 146.6 mm (5.77 in) W: 70.6 mm (2.78 in) D: 8.25 mm (0.325 in) Exhibit 2 H: 159.9 mm (6.30 in) W: 76.7 mm (3.02 in) D: 8.25 mm (0.325 in) Exhibit 3 130.7 mm (5.15 in) H 68.9 mm (2.71 in) W 7.1 mm (0.28 in) D (MAXX: 8.99 mm (0.354 in) D) Bonus points for asking how big (thicc) their phone case. Sure, monocrystal lenses have their good points, but for smartphones to get rid of their 'protrusions' people should start actively voicing they don't need paper thing phones.

RecycledEle 3y ago
Steve Jobs brain washed them into thinking thin phones are better. They are lost. Wait for them to die out then we can rebuild modular, repairable, upgradable, sustainable, and affordable technology. Any rational company would have standardized the parts inside a phone like IBM did with the IBM PC.
- thefounder 3y ago
  The big brick phones went out of fashion before the iphone. Apple resurrected the big and thick phones. I remember I didn't get the first iphone models due their size.
  - Tanoc 3y ago
    No they didn't. The most popular form factor for phones before the iPhone was the thick flipphone, because it was easier to hold and use in one hand. Second most popular right before the iPhone's introduction was likely the slide QWERTY layout, such as the Motorola Sidekick or Karma. It kept the smaller form factor of the candybar phone with the capabilities and keyboard of an early smartphone like the Blackberry Curve. Those were both "big brick" phone form factors that survived until around 2013. The iPhone popularized the broad slate form factor, which was quickly adopted by pretty much everyone wanting to field an Android phone from then on.
    - thefounder 3y ago
      Flip phones were not big brick phones. Qwerty phones were a niche.
- jedrek 3y ago
  > Any rational company would have standardized the parts inside a phone like IBM did with the IBM PC. Any company that is run by people who're capable of reading and understanding history books would probably not do that. IBM released the PC in 1981 and effectively left the "standardized component" PC market in 2001, when they shut down the Aptiva line. That's a 20 year run, which saw IBM try to move away from Intel and into their own RISC processors for the last 5 years. And its height, IBM was shipping 750,000 computers a year. In 2022, Apple sold that many iPhones every day. IBM created a market by allowing other companies to make PC clones, but that pushed margins to unworkable levels and effectively forced them out of the market.
  - RecycledEle 3y ago
    > IBM was shipping 750,000 computers a year. In 2022, Apple sold that many iPhones every day. You are comparing 1983 to 2022 in an industry that experience exponential growth over that time.
crazygringo 3y ago
What does the year of a phone have to do with anything? Eliminating the bump is nice so your phone lies flat. And let people have their valid personal preferences around the size, thickness, and weight of their phone. What pleasure do you get out of making fun of other people's preferences?
- justsomehnguy 3y ago
  > Så does the year of a phone have to do with anything? Oh, it does. Because the loudmouths cry what 'phones were never so thin, that's why now there is a bump'... except they were. In 2011 of all times. > Eliminating the bump is nice so your phone lies flat. Not designing ultra-super-thin phone so you would need a camera bump (and a case which would bump the thickness of the phone back to non-ultra-super-thin) would be nice too. But Apple did The Bump and Apple continued to do it, because that's how they make their consumers feel entitled (did you forgot fake bumps and cases for the other vendors phones?) and every one else followed the suit. Hell, cheap phones with the cameras from the previous century still sports these ridiculous bumps, circles and whatever, despite not having any reason to do so, if anything they can do a shallow pits instead of bumps for their cameras. [0] > And let people have their valid personal preferences around the size, thickness, and weight of their phone Yes, exactly, please, get your Apple tainted hands off the personal preferences of people and let them have the phones without a stupid bumps, which would increase (or on anything less than $500 would not) the thickness of the phone for the whole ungodly amount of one millimeter. You can stick additional 500mAh there so that phone wouldn't die after a mere working day. All Apple fanboys can have their apples, or non-apples, or whatever, but at this moment there is no alternative at all. > What pleasure do you get out of making fun of other people's preferences? Their preferences are imposed on me. That's the main thing people like you can't understand. [0] a fine specimen to illustrate: https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a03-pictures-11244.php https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a03-pictures-11244.p...
  - audunw 3y ago
    > and a case which would bump the thickness of the phone back to non-ultra-super-thin Well, duh.. I think that’s kind of the point. So many people use cases anyway to protect their phone, or embed it in a wallet style case. I want the phone to be thin so the phone with a case and a couple of cards is a reasonable thickness for my pocket. Yeah, if you made it thicker maybe you wouldn’t need a case for protection. But cases also provide customisation, decoration, and protects against scratches. > You can stick additional 500mAh there so that phone wouldn't die after a mere working day. IMO cases should be the answer to this too. Although it’s not implemented well enough yet, even with Apples MagSafe. Adding battery for more than a day of active use is a waste of resources for most people when almost everyone will plug it in once a day anyway. If you do it every day it’s a habit and you won’t forget, so it’s the best way to do it. If you could have a case with extra capacity without adding much thickness, with an efficient connection that doesn’t involve wires (so not sure USB-C or Qi/MagSafe is the right solution), it’d be ideal. The case battery could be discharged first so it’s the first to wear out (which is easy to replace) and the internal battery could last much longer. Then you could have 2000mAh extra capacity if that suited your use case better and don’t mind a chunky phone. Battery banks do serve this purpose to some degree of course, and has the benefit that you can continue to use them if you upgrade to a phone with a different form factor.
1123581321 3y ago
It’s fun because they can’t articulate that they don’t wrap their hand around the camera when they hold their phones?

RecycledEle 3y ago

Steve Jobs brain washed them into thinking thin phones are better. They are lost. Wait for them to die out then we can rebuild modular, repairable, upgradable, sustainable, and affordable technology. Any rational company would have standardized the parts inside a phone like IBM did with the IBM PC.

thefounder 3y ago
The big brick phones went out of fashion before the iphone. Apple resurrected the big and thick phones. I remember I didn't get the first iphone models due their size.
- Tanoc 3y ago
  No they didn't. The most popular form factor for phones before the iPhone was the thick flipphone, because it was easier to hold and use in one hand. Second most popular right before the iPhone's introduction was likely the slide QWERTY layout, such as the Motorola Sidekick or Karma. It kept the smaller form factor of the candybar phone with the capabilities and keyboard of an early smartphone like the Blackberry Curve. Those were both "big brick" phone form factors that survived until around 2013. The iPhone popularized the broad slate form factor, which was quickly adopted by pretty much everyone wanting to field an Android phone from then on.
  - thefounder 3y ago
    Flip phones were not big brick phones. Qwerty phones were a niche.
jedrek 3y ago
> Any rational company would have standardized the parts inside a phone like IBM did with the IBM PC. Any company that is run by people who're capable of reading and understanding history books would probably not do that. IBM released the PC in 1981 and effectively left the "standardized component" PC market in 2001, when they shut down the Aptiva line. That's a 20 year run, which saw IBM try to move away from Intel and into their own RISC processors for the last 5 years. And its height, IBM was shipping 750,000 computers a year. In 2022, Apple sold that many iPhones every day. IBM created a market by allowing other companies to make PC clones, but that pushed margins to unworkable levels and effectively forced them out of the market.
- RecycledEle 3y ago
  > IBM was shipping 750,000 computers a year. In 2022, Apple sold that many iPhones every day. You are comparing 1983 to 2022 in an industry that experience exponential growth over that time.

crazygringo 3y ago

What does the year of a phone have to do with anything? Eliminating the bump is nice so your phone lies flat. And let people have their valid personal preferences around the size, thickness, and weight of their phone. What pleasure do you get out of making fun of other people's preferences?

justsomehnguy 3y ago
> Så does the year of a phone have to do with anything? Oh, it does. Because the loudmouths cry what 'phones were never so thin, that's why now there is a bump'... except they were. In 2011 of all times. > Eliminating the bump is nice so your phone lies flat. Not designing ultra-super-thin phone so you would need a camera bump (and a case which would bump the thickness of the phone back to non-ultra-super-thin) would be nice too. But Apple did The Bump and Apple continued to do it, because that's how they make their consumers feel entitled (did you forgot fake bumps and cases for the other vendors phones?) and every one else followed the suit. Hell, cheap phones with the cameras from the previous century still sports these ridiculous bumps, circles and whatever, despite not having any reason to do so, if anything they can do a shallow pits instead of bumps for their cameras. [0] > And let people have their valid personal preferences around the size, thickness, and weight of their phone Yes, exactly, please, get your Apple tainted hands off the personal preferences of people and let them have the phones without a stupid bumps, which would increase (or on anything less than $500 would not) the thickness of the phone for the whole ungodly amount of one millimeter. You can stick additional 500mAh there so that phone wouldn't die after a mere working day. All Apple fanboys can have their apples, or non-apples, or whatever, but at this moment there is no alternative at all. > What pleasure do you get out of making fun of other people's preferences? Their preferences are imposed on me. That's the main thing people like you can't understand. [0] a fine specimen to illustrate: https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a03-pictures-11244.php https://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a03-pictures-11244.p...
- audunw 3y ago
  > and a case which would bump the thickness of the phone back to non-ultra-super-thin Well, duh.. I think that’s kind of the point. So many people use cases anyway to protect their phone, or embed it in a wallet style case. I want the phone to be thin so the phone with a case and a couple of cards is a reasonable thickness for my pocket. Yeah, if you made it thicker maybe you wouldn’t need a case for protection. But cases also provide customisation, decoration, and protects against scratches. > You can stick additional 500mAh there so that phone wouldn't die after a mere working day. IMO cases should be the answer to this too. Although it’s not implemented well enough yet, even with Apples MagSafe. Adding battery for more than a day of active use is a waste of resources for most people when almost everyone will plug it in once a day anyway. If you do it every day it’s a habit and you won’t forget, so it’s the best way to do it. If you could have a case with extra capacity without adding much thickness, with an efficient connection that doesn’t involve wires (so not sure USB-C or Qi/MagSafe is the right solution), it’d be ideal. The case battery could be discharged first so it’s the first to wear out (which is easy to replace) and the internal battery could last much longer. Then you could have 2000mAh extra capacity if that suited your use case better and don’t mind a chunky phone. Battery banks do serve this purpose to some degree of course, and has the benefit that you can continue to use them if you upgrade to a phone with a different form factor.

1123581321 3y ago

It’s fun because they can’t articulate that they don’t wrap their hand around the camera when they hold their phones?