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The future of warfare: A $400 drone killing a $2M tank
- chiefalchemist 3y agoThis was true say 20 years ago. The current future of warfare is a small team of hackers taking out a power grid, freezing banks and financial transactions, mucking with the transportation system, etc. *And* these attacks may not be state-sponsored. Fighting for land via physical violence? Really?? That's as old as cavemen.
- quickthrower2 3y agoErrr. Read the current news.
- chiefalchemist 3y agoErrr. The current is not the future. And the article's title is *the future* of warfare. What's also sadly funny is that everyone here is already assuming warfare is a given in the future.
- broken-kebab 3y agoReally. When armed men enter the room any team of hackers is immediately pwned, and raises hands up. FWIW if current wars prove anything it's that no matter how sophisticated miltech got, the real control is still by infantry present at wanted place
- ourmandave 3y agoAll roads lead to the xkcd $5 Wrench answer. https://xkcd.com/538/ https://xkcd.com/538/
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- yaris 3y agoIf armed men enter the _correct_ room. And finding that is not as easy as it looks in movies, taking into account the fact that there can be no _the_ room rather than several rooms in different countries. Infantry can get stretched too thin to cover all of them at once.
- Kon-Peki 3y agoThe Geneva Conventions aren't offering you any protections, so if the infantry is stretched a little too thin you probably can't do much complaining about the "treatment" they give you.
- broken-kebab 3y agoWhat you describe is exactly how it looks in Hollywood movies, while in real life we still yet to see any strategic achievements anywhere caused merely by cyberattack in spite of all sci-fi propheting. E.g. Ukrainian, and Russian hackers have been attacking each other relentlessly since RF started the war, and most successful operations include Ukrainians transmitting anti-Putin images on advertisement screens somewhere, and some e-services downed for a few hours on both sides. It looked cool in news, but didn't move a needle on the ground. Or during massive protests in Belarus in 2020, pro-opposition hackers penetrated almost everywhere, leaked tons of info, but when it all eventually boiled down to armed gov't loyalist forces vs unarmed crowds in streets, guess who won? Organized power is not that dependent on internets, and really important electronic systems are not that fragile anymore. Meanwhile infantry changes power on the ground in a very tangible, inescapeable way.
- chiefalchemist 3y agoTrue of false, Israel "blacked out" comms in Gaza*, and is controlling just about anything else entering. Physical attacks are for revenge. And are based on the past more than a view to the future. * Similar happened in Ukraine. The media doesn't highlight such things because their reporting what keeps you engaged in the short term, not what ultimately matters further out.
- broken-kebab 3y agoI know for sure that in unoccupied territories Ukrainians do great job keeping their communications reliably working (to the point that there are plenty of software development businesses successfully doing their jobs despite of war) unless a rocket hits some piece of infrastructure nearby. Which sort of disproves your claim. Zero blackouts were caused by hacking, and multiple by explosions.
- chiefalchemist 3y agoafaik, that was mainly due to Starlink. Needless to say, Starlink is now a target.
- acdha 3y agoI’ve heard very similar claims since the 90s but it hasn’t happened yet - Russia has certainly tried but their war in Ukraine is very much physical violence with a tiny fringe of cyber warfare, and their most famous success helping Trump get elected was an old school propaganda play exploiting existing fractures in the Republican Party, not the movie plot stuff like voting system tampering. The NSA appears to have been a little more successful with things like Stuxnet but even there it’s hard to say that had much lasting impact compared to, say, the Mossad’s more direct targeting of scientists. This makes me think that we’re prone to dramatically overweight the importance of the types of systems we work on, and forget how most physical systems have a fair amount of robustness stemming from human operators being able to notice problems and halt things before too much damage happens.
- yaris 3y agoOther things aside, the style of war Russia is engaged in has little to do with the lack of (or neglect of or unimportance of) cyber aspect, it has more to do with the fact that Russian officials did not expect a war at all. For them it was more of "freeing good population from their bad and corrupt government", to the point that some troops had their parade uniform when going to Ukraine, to celebrate rather than to fight. So the physical presence was a requirement since it is hard to parade remotely ;-) [EDIT] Clarify the point
- acdha 3y agoOh, they definitely weren’t prepared but if anything I’d have expected them to lean more on cyber attacks since they’re faster than getting tanks out of long-term storage and shipping them across the country. There have been some reports of activity but I found it interesting how what was widely predicted to be a major threat has been so marginal.
- scottLobster 3y agoYeah, China totally plans to hack Taiwan into rejoining the mainland. You realize how ridiculous that sounds? The types of attack you mention are perhaps an additional dimension of war in the future, but you sound a lot like all the experts back in WWII who thought strategic bombing would make ground forces obsolete. And your last line is weird. We do lots of things today that are as old as cavemen, physically and socially.
- chiefalchemist 3y agoRidiculous? Your search engine must be broken. Or you work / profit from an industry that benefits from the dated paradigm you blindly embrace. Start with C4I and go from there. p.s. Just because we can doesn't mean qe should. Precedent is no excuse for stupidity.
- chiefalchemist 3y agoWe're talking about the future here. Imagine if in 1990 someone said, "You'll carry a computer in your pocket in 20 yrs.?" Only fools underestimate the possibilities of the future. Words like ridiculous in this context are...ridiculous. Tanks and ships, etc. are *very* expensive. A team of hackers, much less so.
- simonebrunozzi 3y agoAllow me to say that your answer seems particularly naive. As another HNer has already commented, control of physical space trumps any hacker doing anything. Particularly true when you can't simply H-Bomb an enemy, or the entire world would rise against you.
- pierat 3y ago> As another HNer has already commented, control of physical space trumps any hacker doing anything. Particularly true when you can't simply H-Bomb an enemy, or the entire world would rise against you. Ransomware victims would beg to differ. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/illinois-hospital-links-closure-ransomware-attack-rcna85983 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/illinois-hospital-link... As we computerize more and more, it also makes our networks more and more sensitive to computer/network attacks.
- victorbjorklund 3y agoI think we have seen that opposite is true. Both russia and its allies has a lot of hackers etc and so does Ukraine and its allies. Despite this we have seen very little use of hacking other than DDOS public site and defacing sites.
- chiefalchemist 3y agoJust want to point out...the title specifically mentions *the future* of warfare, not the current which is still very much based on a 20th Century paradigm, 20th Century educated decision makers, etc. Also keep in mind, the media loves to show carnage and destruction. A _______ crippled and disabled due to a cyber attack isn't sexy. Sure, they mention it but their level of attention is not an indication of importance for a given objective.
- cout 3y agoIf the hackers are doing their jobs, there should be little evidence that there ever was a hack -- like if stuxnet had never made it into the wild presumably everyone might have thought the centrifuges were faulty.
- mattbrewsbytes 3y agoWar is physical violence. Hacking should be considered as part of the evolution of the Cold War, its a clandestine activity.
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- brian_spiering 3y agoThe continued evolution of war. “Hurdling trenches, crawling over shell craters, and walking through forests unhalted by intense gunfire, the tanks cannot be stopped by anything less than a direct hit from shells of considerable caliber,” reports The Ogden Standard of October 21, 1916, 4 p.m. City Edition https://guides.loc.gov/chronicling-america-wwi-tanks https://guides.loc.gov/chronicling-america-wwi-tanks
- coffeebeqn 3y agoI wonder when were anti tank mines introduced? They have always been effective at immobilizing tanks which is one way to stop them
- rawgabbit 3y agoThe Ukrainians were effective destroying Russian tanks using Javelins and NLaws and civilian drones for spotting. https://mwi.westpoint.edu/an-unerring-sense-of-locality-ukraine-and-the-future-of-armored-warfare/ https://mwi.westpoint.edu/an-unerring-sense-of-locality-ukra... >the Russian tank crews fell victim to roving bands of hidden Ukrainian light infantry armed with Javelin and NLAW ATGMs, as well as armed drones. Like the destruction waged by Egyptian and Syrian Sagger teams, these ambushes resulted in the widespread destruction of Russian tanks and contributed to Russia’s operational abandonment of its northern axis of advance. As a result, between February 2022 and March 2023, Russia lost 1,917 of what the International Institute for Strategic Estimate estimated to be a prewar total of 3,417 tanks in active service
- bluGill 3y agoAs I understand in WWI mechanical failure was the king of stopping tanks, which then allowed a lot of other options for the enemy to deal with the crew.
- batushka3 3y agoWith the first assasination of politician, drones will be regulated harder than weapons in EU.
- coffeebeqn 3y agoI just realized terrorism is about to level up to a terrifying degree of anonymity. Frag grenade (maybe homemade) dropped into a crowd. How do you trace that back when these have a range of many miles
- Retric 3y agoMortars are extremely simple devices with similar effectiveness. If you can build a frag grenade you can probably make an effective mortar. It’s more difficult to make something that can hit large targets at 2+ miles, but not extremely so.
- brigadier132 3y agoYou need to know math for that. To build something that can drop a bomb requires buying two pieces of equipment on amazon that are made completely for civilian use.
- Retric 3y agoThe drone is trivial vs building an effective homemade bomb you can drop from a drone. In then end someone who can make high explosives can trivially kill people, but that’s a non trivial task.
- acdha 3y agoYou’re definitely right that it’s not unprecedented - and as Americans know all too well, even a single gunman can produce a hundred casualties – but there is something worrisome about further reducing the skill threshold and increasing the likelihood of the attacker getting away cleanly. I think the main difference is precision and anonymity - mortars are noisy and would attract attention, but a drone fits in a backpack and there’s no obvious connection between the launch site and the targets, so things like ballistics analysis and “shot spotter” systems are less effective. If there’s, say, a hotel or apartment building you’re going from needing to check the roof to needing to worry about every window even on the non-facing sides.
- underseacables 3y agoRelated: Kill Decision by Daniel Suarez. He wrote about a near future world in which non-state actors could use swarms of cheaply made drones to wreak havoc.
- I_Am_Nous 3y agoI haven't read Kill Decision, but I loved Daemon/Freedom by Suarez so I'll have to pick it up sometime :)
- sophacles 3y agoKill Decision is OK, not a masterpiece but not bad either. Don't go in expecting another Daemon/Freedom and you'll probably enjoy it more (not as slight on Mr Suarez, its just that Daemon was really really good and not every book can be that).
- I_Am_Nous 3y agoI think of it in terms of "every band will end up with a worst album." Even if it's really good, it's not as good as their best album lol
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- underseacables 3y agoDaemon and the sequel Freedom(TM) scared the hell out of me.
- I_Am_Nous 3y agoIt's all so plausible, isn't it? Especially with how much security actually gets baked into most devices...
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- themanmaran 3y agoThe gap between Military and Civilian tech is shrinking. It used to be a safe assumption that "the military is always 30 years ahead". But with consumer grade hardware becoming cheaper and cheaper, it's raising a pretty obvious risk to military operators. - Off the shelf Drones are dirt cheap. Plus you could build much more capable drones from consumer parts. See some of the long range drone people on youtube. - Communication. It used to be a billion dollar operation to put up a satellite. now closer to $20-30k.
- WarOnPrivacy 3y ago> The gap between Military and Civilian tech is shrinking. Maybe it's vacillating. From the it's easier to destroy than to create perspective, this feels like the natural trend of warfare. We already had inexpensive explosives. The difference here is a worthwhile delivery system is getting cheap. It can be argued that drones themselves have been making big changes across all kinds of industries and this is part of that wave. Drones may turn to be as pivotal as locomotion, air-conditioning and the internet.
- bombcar 3y agoCannons made forts very massive for awhile, and then they overcame them, and things changed. Even guns had done the same to armor.
- mjh2539 3y agoCannons made forts rely primarily on angled, earthwork curtains.
- uticus 3y agoSometimes it vacillates between times of war and peace. The gap is usually wider when extended times of peace allow the "war tech" to be developed with the increased funding and secrecy allowed by peacetime. Sometimes it vacillates with general tech advancements. Tech driven by large bureaucratic structures will still occasionally fall behind what's available on an open market driven by competition and the public's bias toward cheaper goods. In other words, as a country's general economy goes, so goes its war chest... unless it manages a quite large war chest, in which case it can attempt to conquer another country and pillage the economic spoils of that country.
- postingawayonhn 3y agoThey're useful but I think the war in Gaza has shown that conventional air superiority remains extremely valuable.
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- make3 3y agothe war in Gaza is very one sided to be fair, I don't think much can be inferred that can be transposed to a war between similar strengths
- invalidname 3y agoThe Hamas is using drones heavily and did use them to disable the fence. They planned to use them against tanks which would have worked against older versions of Israeli armed vehicles. Newer versions have a defensive system that can stop most anti-tank warfare and everything the Hamas have (they have many Russian weapons supplied via Iran, they have a very deep cache of weapons). This tank defense system is also designed to stop drones.
- hnbad 3y agoYou know what Hamas primarily used to disable the fence? Construction vehicles. There are literally videos of Hamas militants using a loader to tear down a fence to create an opening. They also infamously used motorized paragliders to cross the border. We're talking about a terrorist group operating on hand-me-downs from foreign sponsor states in a very small and densely populated mostly-urban territory that has no control over its borders or foreign trade. They likely have impressive caches for an organization of its size but that doesn't make the conflict any less one-sided given Israel is one of the best equipped militaries in the world subsidized directly by the US. Let's not confuse Hamas and Hezbollah, which is actually better equipped than the official military of its host nation Lebanon and also receives massive funding from Iran - but still pales in comparison to the tech available to Israel.
- cout 3y agoThis doesn't surprise me, not because I have any real world knowledge or experience of warfare, but because I used to have fun taking out tanks in Unreal Tournament 2005 with more maneuverable vehicles armed with energy weapons. I guess this is a case of sci fi becoming reality. (I mean no disrespect to those fighting on the front lines by trivializing their experience with a video game metaphor; I pray for safety for both sides and for eventual peace).
- lxgr 3y ago“Only a net can help. And I predict that soon we will have to put up such nets above our cities, or at least government buildings, all over Europe.” That’s quite some food for thought, especially in a non-war context. Reminds me about the short film “Slaughterbots” [1] and that one Black Mirror episode with the weaponized robotic bees. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-2tpwW0kmU
- elric 3y agoNets above structures seem like a terrible defence. What's to stop me from launching a drone from within the net? Unless you're going to cover all sides of these buildings with nets. And a net-cutting drone seems like something that would be trivial to engineer.
- peteradio 3y agoOr a drone with scissors.
- etrautmann 3y agoor just a second drone
- BurningFrog 3y agoIn a military context, if the invading army is already within the net, both the net and the drones are irrelevant.
- lm28469 3y agoA net to stop what ? How ? If the drone is above the net it'll have to stop mortar rounds (it won't) If the drone is under the net you're fucked
- mirekrusin 3y ago2 drones one for net and one for target?
- bloopernova 3y agoThe PTSD of veterans of the russian invasion of Ukraine will be horrific. At any point, a drone that you often can't hear or see can drop a grenade or mortar shell that might kill all your squad but leave you unhurt. Or kill one person next to you in the trench. Or your vehicle may just explode with no warning. Sure, it could be argued that is not "worse" than other wars, but how will these veterans react to drones in the sky back in civilian life?
- globalise83 3y agoProbably recreational drones will need to be banned in places like Ukraine with a large contingent of traumatised war veterans. It must also be disturbing for Ukrainian refugees in Austria and Germany to have air raid sirens go off every time the local fire department needs to be summoned.
- hnbad 3y agoWhich parts of Austria and Germany are that? In Germany the air raid sirens are part of the emergency broadcast system and outside natural disasters only heard during tests. These tests happen on a schedule and when done at a federal level )(i.e. when the cellular emergency system is also tested rather than just the sirens) you'll hear about them on the news in advance. I'm not aware of them being used to summon the fire department and don't think that's very common outside maybe extremely rural areas. AFAIK volunteer fire departments use mobile phones.
- pohuing 3y agoGermany doesn't even have them as a federal thing anymore. However I know that our village siren goes off to notify the firefighters that they have to hurry to the station. And I can also hear the sirens of the neighbouring town if its an especially big fire.
- vidanay 3y agoBut hasn't this always been the evolution of warfare? Once upon a time you had to look your enemy in the eye to fight them (sword, axe, fist, etc). And then someone invented the longbow and suddenly an arrow could silently fly out of a thicket 100 yards away and kill you without warning.
- Cookingboy 3y agoMan I really wonder if anyone working at DJI ever imagined one day the internet would be filled with footages of Russian main battle tanks being blown up by the toys they built.
- kylebenzle 3y agoIt's a Chinese company, not only did they imagine it, the planed for it then built the machines for it.
- FpUser 3y agoAnd sent their success report to you
- rasz 3y agothey never imagined DJI hardware shooting at something no https://www.robomaster.com/en-US https://www.robomaster.com/en-US and they definitely arent supplying PLA https://asiatimes.com/2022/10/us-blacklists-chinas-dji-drones-for-alleged-pla-ties/ https://asiatimes.com/2022/10/us-blacklists-chinas-dji-drone...
- Fricken 3y agoMy Grade 11 social studies teacher would often, (as in several times per class), pound his fist into his other hand and declare "More bang per buck! More dead per Dollar!" in reference to the incentive structures of modern warfare. So many aggreived parties in the world with the need to explode from a distance, but on a limited budget. What's the alternative? A bomber plane? A howitzer? A suicidal dude? Nobody's got time for that. Cheap Kamikaze FPVs are the next big tech market and it's blowing up, like right now!
- hulitu 3y ago> So many aggreived parties in the world with the need to explode from a distance, but on a limited budget. What's the alternative? The alternative is peace. I know, i know, human life is cheap and we need more profits.
- xorcist 3y agoThere are other ways to burn resources. We could, for example, release a lot of carbon dioxide and then capture it again.
- PopePompus 3y agoI realize that tank armor is weak at the top, but it's amazing to me that a few kilograms of explosives dropped anywhere on a tank can disable it. Are these drones even using a shaped charge?
- hylaride 3y agoMost modern anti-tank rounds (including the famous Javalin and NLAW) actually use a small "pin" object to penetrate the tanks, which causes a shrapnel or gas explosion inside the tank. Some antitank rounds (HESH) don't even penetrate the armour, but cause the inside layer of armour to separate and shred the inside: https://www.ontrmuseum.ca/tankmuseum/blog-post/modern-anti-tank-ammunition/ https://www.ontrmuseum.ca/tankmuseum/blog-post/modern-anti-t...
- MikusR 3y agoThere is hot inside a tank so they have open hatches on top. Also russian tanks store ammo in turret portion.
- drpgq 3y ago"For Ukrainians, the video clip of a Hamas drone destroying an Israeli main battle tank by dropping a grenade was a film they had seen before." What kind of grenade would have done that?
- lm28469 3y agoSome of them drop anti tank mines, big drones can also drop fairly big mortar round, some fpv drones are strapped on top of rpg rounds https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/10/04/ukrainian-heavy-bomber-drones-drop-anti-tank-mines/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2023/10/04/ukrain... https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xc687p/quadcopter_carrying_six_mortar_rounds_is_this_new/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/xc687p/quadcopter_... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8PvnhKJEpw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8PvnhKJEpw
- bloopernova 3y agoPotentially it's being poorly described by the writer. Tanks have comparatively weak turret and upper armour. Plus you don't need to destroy a tank to reduce its combat ability, you can just make it throw a track, or destroy its external sensors. A grenade will sometimes do that, but even better is a cheap rocket propelled grenade warhead that you drop onto the turret of the tank, as those are designed to penetrate armour. In addition, russian tanks would be driven with their hatches open for fresh air, providing an easy entry point for a skilled Ukrainian drone pilot.
- morkalork 3y agoUkraine has been repurposing old anti-tank grenades with 3d printed fins: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RKG-3_anti-tank_grenade https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RKG-3_anti-tank_grenade
- dzdt 3y agoI expect lasers as the military defense innovation to follow, more than the widespread deployment of nets. There are demonstration units out there that can potshot mosquitos out of a farm field. Power that up and you've got something that will knock small drones out of the sky.
- brigadier132 3y agoIt's already happening but I don't see how lasers are more effective than miniaturized anti aircraft guns that shoot shrapnel within range of a drone.
- eagerpace 3y agoPrecision. Depth of magazine. Engaging multiple targets faster.
- brigadier132 3y agoCurrent laser tech being deployed requires several seconds on target to destroy and it can also blind people unintentionally.
- hnbad 3y ago> it can also blind people unintentionally Soldiers can be equipped with safety goggles. Injured civilians are reclassified as casualties of the hostile force.
- mrep 3y agoAlso, some Israel and US tanks already have active protection system (APS) that can automatically shoot down anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs), rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs), anti-tank rockets, and high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) rounds [0]. Don't think it'll take too much to update them to also shoot down drones. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_(countermeasure) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_(countermeasure)
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- ilkke 3y agoI'm surprised it only costs $2M to build a living tank. Didn't even know we had the technology.
- dash2 3y agoA worrying sidelight here: the idea that Russia is faster at scaling up this new kind of warfare than Ukraine (and therefore, Ukraine's Western allies). Tech is moving fast, and the final form of drone warfare has not yet been seen. Countries which are slow to innovate will be at a grave disadvantage.
- denton-scratch 3y agoDoesn't really worry me. Drone warfare gives the cost-advantage to the party that doesn't rely as much on heavy equipment, expensive air-defence and massed artillery. And Russian military doctrine doesn't change very quickly; they're fighting the war in Ukraine in much the same way they fought WWII (smash up everything with artillery, and then try to roll in with tanks).
- MikusR 3y agoThe russian drone attacks are less publicized, but they are numerous. Also while Ukraine uses mostly domestic drones converted to drop grenades, russia uses purpose built ones. Like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZALA_Lancet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZALA_Lancet. And the bigger iranian made Shahed drones.
- denton-scratch 3y agoThe Russian drones are expensive; hugely more expensive than the Ukrainian ones. And ISW says the Ukrainians are shooting down most of the drones Russia sends over (and vice-versa, of course). Granted: what ISW says is probably based on what Ukraine says. And granted: if you dont shoot down every kamikazi drone in a swarm, then the swarm succeeded (or could have succeeded).
- Ingaz 3y agohttps://lostarmour.info/ https://lostarmour.info/ - site dedicated to collect, filter and analyze data about "Losses of military equipment in local conflicts of the XXI century" (citation) It's in Russian but should be readable with translation
- ajsnigrutin 3y agoAnd a few saudis with some boxcutters makes some huge flying missles full of jet fuel and a 20 year war, where the taliban got replaced with the taliban. Asymetric warfare was always a thing... be it sharply cut bamboo for paratroopers, molotov cocktails for burning down buildings to laser pointers against helicopters. A better question here is, what kind of a shitty tank this is, with all the "active armor" and other sales buzzwords, that can't even survive something dropped from a cheap drone (so, relatively light and weak compared to conventional munitions used in the stationary/ground battlefield), while at the meantime the same people are making fun of russian "cope cages".
- tetromino_ 3y ago> what kind of a shitty tank this is Evidence suggests all modern tanks without "cope cages" are vulnerable. There are videos from this month of FPV drones destroying a bunch of Leopard 2's and even a Merkava.
- ajsnigrutin 3y agoWell yeah, but tanks are a "living" thing, they get modified, updated, upgraded... more than a year has gone by from when the russians put "cope cages" on, the "international community" (eu, us, au) lauged, and the germans are still holding a comitee if mounts for the cope-cage poles should use M10 or M12 nuts and bolts. It's been almost two years now, it's not a hard modification.
- __alexs 3y agoNo mention of jamming technology at all? FPV drones all operate in a fairly narrow bit of 5GHz, it seems like it would be quite easy to jam the video feeds at the very least.
- ProjectArcturis 3y agoThis surprises me as well. Of course there are counter-counter measures like frequency hopping and directed antennas, but you won't find them on consumer-grade drones.
- I_Am_Nous 3y agoFrequency hopping can only help if there's frequency to hop to, and I'd imagine a military jammer would angrily spew as wide a band of noise it can to ensure everything is jammed. A tank with an omnidirectional antenna jamming -30dB (or more because it's not like FCC/similar regulations apply to the military in a war zone) would have a pretty decent RF bubble around it.
- ProjectArcturis 3y agoMaybe the tank signal jammer is what causes the loss of visual contact before detonation that the article describes.
- hyperific 3y agoThis. Just flying near a WiFi signal is enough to screw up my FPV video feed. You could also jam the 2.4GHz control signal and cause the drones to failsafe.
- bluescrn 3y agoThat'll work for now, until on-board AI can complete the mission on camera footage alone, no need for a control link or GPS
- denton-scratch 3y agoIt's pretty much just a software upgrade to make the things autonomous, isn't it?
- 1970-01-01 3y agoFalcons, hawks, and eagles are extremely intelligent birds that can be trained to defend territory. The biggest problem is getting them to cooperate with each other as a swarm.
- GaggiX 3y agoThese small drones are also very useful for propaganda, as they are equipped with 4K cameras. If the Russians make a disastrous attempt to take over a tree line, the attempt will be filmed at different angles.
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- lostmsu 3y ago> "In theory, a specialist with my level of expertise could plan and execute an operation to liquidate the first persons of any European state ... Pandora's box is open.” Call back when Putin is dead.
- jeo123 3y agoJust a reminder in case got misconstrue that Ukraine is fighting Russians with drones. China supplied truck loads of drones to Russians easily at a ratio 1:500. You need to have someone in China (especially near the border) to know this. As for the west, they couldn't even get WMD right. So whatever you got read about how game changer are with new Western weapons, take it with healthy dose of salt. We are now at the 10th or 11th game changer which is ATACMS now. Yes, even Abrahms are now absolutely. Seems like artilleries and Terminators tanks are the future. American elections are nearing. Reminds me how those supported Bush Sr in Iraq, were later gassed exterminated by Saddam. I don't think Hunter gonna make a come back. Let's hope Putin has mercy on those Ukrainians when USA finally abandon them as predictable.