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why would you even watch this peron videos analysing Ukraine war? So I do this, a lot. Rogan is a good example I struggle with. I regularly go I wonder what Jo
by hnreport 3y ago
why would you even watch this peron videos analysing Ukraine war?
So I do this, a lot. Rogan is a good example I struggle with. I regularly go I wonder what Joe Rogan thinks about this, on subjects I know he doesn’t know shit about or is just plain wrong about. It isn’t relegated to just Rogan.
Musk was another awful one when you first get into him.
This has to be a form of non-sexual attraction I think. I’m not gay, but how is this not gay? Like, what the fuck, am I in love with these people?
I almost have to shake my head and snap out of it.
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I’ll add that I’ve gotten extremely good at filtering his guests but still weak to filtering him (it’s kinda like still having feelings for your first). Anytime he puts on a comedian I always go “yeah whatever, who cares what some random comedian thinks about ______”, but I wasn’t able to do that with Rogan. No sir, I listen with both ears as he describes like … nuclear fusion.
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- wincy 3y agoThat’s not what it is. People are looking around, shaking their heads, with an vague feeling that things *aren’t right* and waiting for someone to be like “alright everyone we’re heading off to start a new life frontier, let’s go!”, and Joe Rogan and Elon Musk feel like the charismatic alphas/cult leader you should be hitching your wagons to. Because sometimes the crazy cult leader ends up being right, revival (much like the religious revivals of the 1830s in the US) and making a big change when society is in flux is just something in our blood. Problem is right now nobody wants to actually buy 60,000 acres of undeveloped land to get it all started, they just want to profit off of people via parasocial relationships.
- pjc50 3y agoMusk spend fourty-four billion dollars on cementing his cult leader position.
- anthk 3y agoNo. Just the old idolization of people.
- hnreport 3y agoI’ll accept that, but what’s the prevalence of it in the adult male demographic?
- twic 3y agoIt does feel like something like that. Maybe not that exactly, but many people have some sort of need for external authorities to tell them what to do, what to think, who to be, etc. Some lack of confidence in their own judgement? Insecurity about making their own decisions?
- mattgreenrocks 3y agoPeople want certainty, and many are willing to let go of independence of thought to try to get it.
- littlelady 3y agoI think the term "para-social relationship" might help you.
- twicetwice 3y agoYes, this is a textbook parasocial relationship. No judgment—me too. I've been listening to the "New Heights" podcast a lot recently, so my most recent parasocial relationship is feeling like Jason and Travis Kelce are my friends. Of course I know they're not, it's just how these things work. Parasocial relationships are ubiquitous in the modern day. My favorite analogy is that parasocial relationships are the Doritos of socialization: appealing. delicious, addictive, can temporarily keep hunger at bay—but fundamentally not satiating, lacking in essential nutrients, and unhealthy when they displace their original natural & more nutritious alternatives.
- pjc50 3y agoGenuinely I think a lot of these people would be better off if they got into k-pop or something rather than geopolitics.
- hnreport 3y agoBro, so what u saying, u saying millions of us are effectively Rogan simps in a parasocial relationship? These relationships are on both sides (e.g AOC on the left).
- pjc50 3y agoYes, and yes? It's kind of inescapable in modern politics, because it's effective at getting people elected and/or making money. It's not the worst way to get elected; certainly better than relying on narrow donor class money. Just .. recognize the limitations of it.
- hnreport 3y agoI’m inclined to agree. The problem is, unlike High School where the kids just grow the fuck out of all the stupid teenage bullshit, adults seem to not have that kinda structure going on. So instead of being a Rogan stan for those weird years in High School, you are grown ass 30 year year old Stan who’s been stanning for 5 years now minimum. Adults today don’t know how to snap out of the high school shit they easily snapped out of after high school. It’s like we’re in a high school that never ends.
- kaashif 3y agoSomewhat weird comment...I thought it was obvious, I and others are occasionally interested in what e.g. Joe Rogan has to say because it's entertaining. I didn't think this was in any way confusing or surprising, and never thought this had anything to do with love. Isn't this the position of most people?
- TeMPOraL 3y ago> never thought this had anything to do with love Plenty of couples started with "oh he's so cute and funny" / "I love listening to her jokes", and few years later found themselves retelling those stories to a wide audience, at their wedding.
- gnz11 3y agoMaybe an "appeal to authority" type situation which is guiding an anxious brain? e.g. Rogan has a massive following, therefore you wonder: "why does this person have such a massive following? It must be because they have important things to say. I had better listen too."
- wincy 3y agoI think as men we have a deep seated need to have a strong leader we respect. If we went into the woods and made a tribe I’d for sure want Joe Rogan or Elon Musk making the decisions. Joe Rogan gives even the village idiot a fair shake to make their point on his podcast. It’s like watching a wise king preside over court. There’s not some big gay mystery here, it’s hardwired “if we go hunting a mammoth, I want Joe Rogan leading the hunt and presiding over the feast!”.
- pjc50 3y agohttps://web.archive.org/web/20170131155837/http://www.nybooks.com/articles/1995/06/22/ur-fascism/ https://web.archive.org/web/20170131155837/http://www.nybook... "I had also learned that freedom of speech means freedom from rhetoric." (if you've never read the whole thing, it's worth it, far beyond the list)
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- _whiteCaps_ 3y agoI keep hearing this meme repeated lately (most recently by the My Pillow guy), and I guess my brain is wired differently, but oh boy, would I hate that society.
- mrguyorama 3y ago"Great person" ideology never works. Nobody is right about most things, and nobody is an expert on more than a few things, it simply isn't feasible. I don't understand asking non-experts their opinion on basically anything.
- staticman2 3y agoReally, you can't think of a better conceivable leader than Joe Rogan or Elon Musk, even in a fantasy scenario you've invented?
- pjc50 3y agoA guy standing up every week declaming with moral authority? The word you are looking for is preacher. And that's what these people are. They provide a comforting sense of moral certainty and judgement; they define enemies, usually a nebulous Them; they're satisfying to listen to; and they publish on a schedule to reinforce the little ritual of listening to them. You've heard the adhan and you are called. > This has to be a form of non-sexual attraction I think. I’m not gay, but how is this not gay? Like, what the fuck, am I in love with these people? People have somehow lost all the words for communicating relationships between people that aren't sexual. Although the "fan" relationship can get pretty weird at times. It's interesting to hear from someone who's liminal enough to realize that they're inside the experience but also knows what's wrong with it. Thank you for this post. > I wonder what Joe Rogan thinks about this, on subjects I know he doesn’t know shit about or is just plain wrong about See also "Gell-Mann amnesia" https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_effect https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_effect
- Kye 3y agoThis might be enlightening for you on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9K3WnyuyFo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9K3WnyuyFo