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> And no, I won't pay for YouTube Premium — because that wasn't part of the deal either. There's also the ridiculous fact it is literally impossible to pay to

> And no, I won't pay for YouTube Premium — because that wasn't part of the deal either. There's also the ridiculous fact it is literally impossible to pay to remove the ads without also getting the horrible Youtube Music service.

lxgr 3y ago
What makes me really sad is that Google doesn't just not offer a "Music-less Youtube Premium" (due to a lack of attention or whatever) – no: They used to offer that product in some markets and have actively discontinued it.
- HeeroML 3y ago
  Just that it does. You only get ads in music videos then.
- redwall_hp 3y ago
  The EU should look long and hard at that: the market-dominating video platform, owned by the market-dominating search and advertising company, forcing bundled pricing for YouTube in order to leverage the YT monopoly for an edge in the music streaming market. Sounds anticompetitive as hell, and a government that actually cares about functioning markets should eviscerate them for it.
figmert 3y ago
Why does this matter? Can't you just not use it?
- willdr 3y ago
  Because they're sold together, so if you wanted forgo YouTube Music, you'd assume it'd be cheaper.
  - figmert 3y ago
    I'd be very surprised if it would be considering YouTube already has music where they already pays the copyright holder for. My guess is YouTube music is focused UI on an already offered service and separating it out will likely not make it cheaper, or if it does, it won't be a big difference.
literalAardvark 3y ago
I really enjoy YTM and see YT Premium as a wonderful perk.
dageshi 3y ago
I wonder if there are licensing shenanigans with music that mean they have to be bundled together otherwise you might not be able to watch pure music videos on youtube.
crote 3y ago
Heck, it won't even remove all ads. A significant number of creators have sponsor segments, and YT Premium won't get rid of that. Why would I pay the Premium tax to get rid of some of the ads?
- duttonw 3y ago
  the plugin "SponsorBlock for youtube" does a good job of using user submitting skipping of said content, people can even mark certain parts as 'filler' and you can also skip those also.

lxgr 3y ago

What makes me really sad is that Google doesn't just not offer a "Music-less Youtube Premium" (due to a lack of attention or whatever) – no: They used to offer that product in some markets and have actively discontinued it.

HeeroML 3y ago
Just that it does. You only get ads in music videos then.
redwall_hp 3y ago
The EU should look long and hard at that: the market-dominating video platform, owned by the market-dominating search and advertising company, forcing bundled pricing for YouTube in order to leverage the YT monopoly for an edge in the music streaming market. Sounds anticompetitive as hell, and a government that actually cares about functioning markets should eviscerate them for it.

figmert 3y ago

Why does this matter? Can't you just not use it?

willdr 3y ago
Because they're sold together, so if you wanted forgo YouTube Music, you'd assume it'd be cheaper.
- figmert 3y ago
  I'd be very surprised if it would be considering YouTube already has music where they already pays the copyright holder for. My guess is YouTube music is focused UI on an already offered service and separating it out will likely not make it cheaper, or if it does, it won't be a big difference.

literalAardvark 3y ago

I really enjoy YTM and see YT Premium as a wonderful perk.

dageshi 3y ago

I wonder if there are licensing shenanigans with music that mean they have to be bundled together otherwise you might not be able to watch pure music videos on youtube.

crote 3y ago

Heck, it won't even remove all ads. A significant number of creators have sponsor segments, and YT Premium won't get rid of that. Why would I pay the Premium tax to get rid of some of the ads?

duttonw 3y ago
the plugin "SponsorBlock for youtube" does a good job of using user submitting skipping of said content, people can even mark certain parts as 'filler' and you can also skip those also.