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It’s funny how frontend has a stigma of less serious engineering when the caliber of programming being done at Vercel is far beyond the level of inadequacy I’ve

It’s funny how frontend has a stigma of less serious engineering when the caliber of programming being done at Vercel is far beyond the level of inadequacy I’ve seen being in big tech FAANG eng departments.

arcanemachiner 3y ago
I think this comment is intended as a compliment to Vercel, but it's hard to tell from the wording.
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  Apologies. Yes, big tech == overrated, Vercel tech == underrated
  - OJFord 3y ago
    It's 'beyond the level of inadequacy' which is amusingly ambiguous!
    - globalise83 3y ago
      They reliably exceed 99.99% inadequacy overachievement - there, made it less ambiguous for you.
      - stavros 3y ago
        Yes, but exceed which way?
KRAKRISMOTT 3y ago
Modern day frontend is ridiculously complex. Back in the day, the only compilers that tried to do code splitting and optimization across network boundaries were ASP.NET WebForms and similar. They were dreadfully simplistic compared to the SSR+ react-streaming-over-the-wire that Vercel is doing. Don't get me wrong, the React compiler written in Rust is leagues ahead of the slow tech in for example the angular world, but it is also magnitudes more complex. I see this as a side effect of developing economies in the world coming online. When you have to service millions in places with poor network and provide a competitive UX, you don't have the luxury of going with "simple" solutions.
meiraleal 3y ago
'use server' sql("select * from db"); This is what Vercel is pushing into React code. The caliber of their work is low, very low. They are con masters with MBAs
- refulgentis 3y ago
  That's awesome work. You don't like it for aesthetic reasons, pre-conceptions of aesthetic purity. That's fine too and I think I agree. But it's awesome work.
  - meiraleal 3y ago
    Go ahead. It is all yours, awesome work is simple work. Vercel wants React to do everything so they can sell everything. Not to me. That was a sad takeover of an open source project tho
    - Rapzid 3y ago
      I like to joke that because Vercel doesn't make money when you run components in the client, and React is now made for Vercel, that React is now developed for backends. I'm a big fan of OSS projects being sponsored by companies that use them for a higher level business. Vs a ton of the C# ecosystem where they try to sell you the library/framework. But hosting businesses ain't it when it comes to frameworks.. It creates weird incentives.
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- junon 3y ago
  They are objectively not that, lol. If you don't like what they're doing I understand but please don't disrespect people you don't know.
  - meiraleal 3y ago
    That's what you get for working in a famous company that took over an open source software. If the destruction of React by Vercel paid your bills and you feel disrespected by my total despise for this get rich fast schema (a la crypto rugpulls), that's a problem for you to solve, not me. Edit: but in reality I'm happy and thankful to Vercel for imploding React, it helped me to finally check that there are so many better options nowadays.

arcanemachiner 3y ago

I think this comment is intended as a compliment to Vercel, but it's hard to tell from the wording.

reducesuffering 3y ago
Apologies. Yes, big tech == overrated, Vercel tech == underrated
- OJFord 3y ago
  It's 'beyond the level of inadequacy' which is amusingly ambiguous!
  - globalise83 3y ago
    They reliably exceed 99.99% inadequacy overachievement - there, made it less ambiguous for you.
    - stavros 3y ago
      Yes, but exceed which way?

KRAKRISMOTT 3y ago

Modern day frontend is ridiculously complex. Back in the day, the only compilers that tried to do code splitting and optimization across network boundaries were ASP.NET WebForms and similar. They were dreadfully simplistic compared to the SSR+ react-streaming-over-the-wire that Vercel is doing. Don't get me wrong, the React compiler written in Rust is leagues ahead of the slow tech in for example the angular world, but it is also magnitudes more complex. I see this as a side effect of developing economies in the world coming online. When you have to service millions in places with poor network and provide a competitive UX, you don't have the luxury of going with "simple" solutions.

meiraleal 3y ago

'use server' sql("select * from db"); This is what Vercel is pushing into React code. The caliber of their work is low, very low. They are con masters with MBAs

refulgentis 3y ago
That's awesome work. You don't like it for aesthetic reasons, pre-conceptions of aesthetic purity. That's fine too and I think I agree. But it's awesome work.
- meiraleal 3y ago
  Go ahead. It is all yours, awesome work is simple work. Vercel wants React to do everything so they can sell everything. Not to me. That was a sad takeover of an open source project tho
  - Rapzid 3y ago
    I like to joke that because Vercel doesn't make money when you run components in the client, and React is now made for Vercel, that React is now developed for backends. I'm a big fan of OSS projects being sponsored by companies that use them for a higher level business. Vs a ton of the C# ecosystem where they try to sell you the library/framework. But hosting businesses ain't it when it comes to frameworks.. It creates weird incentives.
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junon 3y ago
They are objectively not that, lol. If you don't like what they're doing I understand but please don't disrespect people you don't know.
- meiraleal 3y ago
  That's what you get for working in a famous company that took over an open source software. If the destruction of React by Vercel paid your bills and you feel disrespected by my total despise for this get rich fast schema (a la crypto rugpulls), that's a problem for you to solve, not me. Edit: but in reality I'm happy and thankful to Vercel for imploding React, it helped me to finally check that there are so many better options nowadays.