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I think he’s referring to the Adblock as the free service here.

crop_rotation 3y ago
Correct.
ysavir 3y ago
I think deadmutex is pointing at a bit of irony and hypocrisy at how we're saying it's bad for people to feel entitled to free adblock support (and ask for more) but champion people feeling entitled to free videos by blocking the ads or refusing to pay for no ads.
- ndriscoll 3y ago
  One is free high quality security software, and the author doesn't even accept donations. The other is "free" videos that come with malware.
  - pb7 3y ago
    One is the best, most reliable video serving platform on the planet and the other is a scriptkiddie’s project that evidently doesn’t even work and he’s so salty about it that he had to make a post.
    - ndriscoll 3y ago
      The OP is a post by a random person discussing reddit drama. As far as I can tell, the author of uBO isn't involved in any of it. uBO does work fine, and is easily one of the most valuable pieces of end user software there is. Raymond Hill is very generous and has made a very positive impact on the world.
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  Not hypocritical at all. There is no "entitlement" to videos. They are free. YouTube sends them to us for free. They do so hoping we're gonna look at the ads. We're under exactly zero obligation to actually do that though. It is not at all our responsibility to make their business model work. Abusing open source developers is the true entitlement.
  - Vt71fcAqt7 3y ago
    Expecting that the videos will be free with no qualifiers (such as an ad playing) is also entitlement. Not that you have said that explicitly but that seems to be a common assumption among many adblock users.
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      YouTube switching entirely to a Netflix-like paid model or going bankrupt are entirely acceptable outcomes.
    - 8note 3y ago
      YouTube is free to make windows and Mac apps, and turn off their web views. They're relying on me doing work to run a browser that renders their ads, rather than providing a binary. They're not sending me a page of ads, they're sending me a couple files that I can choose how to show and what to put through a JavaScript interpreter
      - Vt71fcAqt7 3y ago
        >YouTube is free to make windows and Mac apps, and turn off their web views. I have revanced which edits their binary to remove ads. I don't see what your point has to do with mine though. My point is this: adblock users are grazing from youtube's field. We are eating the grass that youtube has planted and watered. To expect that such a field exists and then to expect that it can be eaten from at will is entitlement. To say "but they put up no fence" (or, more accurately, a weak fence) is not a refutation of this point. In fact it is exactlty what defines it as being a tragedy of the commons.
      - caconym_ 3y ago
        They're also free to build more serious adblock countermeasures into their website, which is exactly what they're doing now, and people are complaining about it. As GP said, maybe this is not your position, but it's a common enough one that their comment is not out of line (given that you are the one who replied to them).
  - 3y ago

Correct.

I think deadmutex is pointing at a bit of irony and hypocrisy at how we're saying it's bad for people to feel entitled to free adblock support (and ask for more) but champion people feeling entitled to free videos by blocking the ads or refusing to pay for no ads.

ndriscoll 3y ago
One is free high quality security software, and the author doesn't even accept donations. The other is "free" videos that come with malware.
- pb7 3y ago
  One is the best, most reliable video serving platform on the planet and the other is a scriptkiddie’s project that evidently doesn’t even work and he’s so salty about it that he had to make a post.
  - ndriscoll 3y ago
    The OP is a post by a random person discussing reddit drama. As far as I can tell, the author of uBO isn't involved in any of it. uBO does work fine, and is easily one of the most valuable pieces of end user software there is. Raymond Hill is very generous and has made a very positive impact on the world.
matheusmoreira 3y ago
Not hypocritical at all. There is no "entitlement" to videos. They are free. YouTube sends them to us for free. They do so hoping we're gonna look at the ads. We're under exactly zero obligation to actually do that though. It is not at all our responsibility to make their business model work. Abusing open source developers is the true entitlement.
- Vt71fcAqt7 3y ago
  Expecting that the videos will be free with no qualifiers (such as an ad playing) is also entitlement. Not that you have said that explicitly but that seems to be a common assumption among many adblock users.
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    YouTube switching entirely to a Netflix-like paid model or going bankrupt are entirely acceptable outcomes.
  - 8note 3y ago
    YouTube is free to make windows and Mac apps, and turn off their web views. They're relying on me doing work to run a browser that renders their ads, rather than providing a binary. They're not sending me a page of ads, they're sending me a couple files that I can choose how to show and what to put through a JavaScript interpreter
    - Vt71fcAqt7 3y ago
      >YouTube is free to make windows and Mac apps, and turn off their web views. I have revanced which edits their binary to remove ads. I don't see what your point has to do with mine though. My point is this: adblock users are grazing from youtube's field. We are eating the grass that youtube has planted and watered. To expect that such a field exists and then to expect that it can be eaten from at will is entitlement. To say "but they put up no fence" (or, more accurately, a weak fence) is not a refutation of this point. In fact it is exactlty what defines it as being a tragedy of the commons.
    - caconym_ 3y ago
      They're also free to build more serious adblock countermeasures into their website, which is exactly what they're doing now, and people are complaining about it. As GP said, maybe this is not your position, but it's a common enough one that their comment is not out of line (given that you are the one who replied to them).
- 3y ago