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> There are two main problems with digital piracy. First, it robs the creator of their income. It’s not just big companies who suffer – the people working behin

by buro9 3y ago

> There are two main problems with digital piracy. First, it robs the creator of their income. It’s not just big companies who suffer – the people working behind the scenes lose out too. Whilst this is true, we've spent the last decade hearing how the intermediaries (streaming services) and media companies continually screw over artists. It is more true to say any drop in revenue due to any alternative way to consume media (of which piracy is just one way) results in the _intermediaries_ seeing the biggest drop in revenue as they were the ones who took the most from the artists. Perhaps if labels and studios paid artists more their argument would resonate more with the fans who consume the art. The internet never did fully deliver on the dream to disintermediate the studios and labels, but there's always a hope that there's still time.

II2II 3y ago
> Perhaps if labels and studios paid artists more their argument would resonate more with the fans who consume the art. Granted, I'm probably an outlier here since I'm not a big consumer of the type of media they're talking about, but it seems like affordability and convenience would be much bigger factors. Keep in mind that people were doing things like sharing accounts even when streaming services were undergoing massive growth. It doesn't sound like they had much concern about artists or other people working behind the scenes.
ekianjo 3y ago
> it robs the creator of their income. Yawn... sounds like 1999, when the piracy was supposed to kill the music industry. It survived, and thrived just fine. So tired of seeing this bullshit.
- jowea 3y ago
  Don't the artists now get a much bigger share of their income from shows? That's not really an option for the TV/Movie/Video media producers.
  - OfSanguineFire 3y ago
    There was a time when many artists said "It’s OK if people download, as long as they come to the show and buy merch, where the money goes directly into our pockets." However, touring has become more expensive for bands. It is now common to hear of even fairly popular acts canceling a tour somewhere, just because they can’t make it work out financially. Add to this two years of restrictions on live performances under COVID in many countries and there was no obvious way for acts to generate a decent income.
lakomen 3y ago
Robbing the creator of their income... As if they have a right to sales. Then you have a large number of low quality/low effort and high price "products". It's not enough to just create something, it must be good. You can't just for instance create a piece of music that sounds terrible and expect it to sell, then blame piracy for lost sales, or make a low budget "film" with your phone and expect people to pay , idk how much a movie DVD or blue ray or whatever medium it is nowadays costs and blame piracy again. Or recent real life example, Diablo 4. Low effort, unfinished game with a static map and huge pointless grind and they wanted 70€. 100€ for the deluxe edition including season 1 pass. A complete failure of a game, unfinished, boring and overpriced. EA has started selling their new games for 70€ base now. I can't and won't afford that. I have my go to MMORPG which I play out of boredom and I download a pirated game every so often. Most of the time this game gets uninstalled very quickly. So there I saw the game, saw it was bad and no harm done. Then there are games I liked playing (BG3) or did not like (Starfield) but still played and did not buy, because the price is too expensive BG3 60€, Starfield 70€ (if Diablo 4 can so can we, right). Movies, man I pay 23€ / month for a TV streaming service that is buggy and has loads of ads. Sometimes I dick around and go to some online movie and series platform and watch the Disney Star Wars series or Star Trek. The Star Trek series are particularly disappointing and I'm glad I didn't pay some subscription service for temporary access to their platform. I was subscribed to HBO Go but only as part of the local ISP's TV bundle. When it became HBO Max it became much worse. Also the content is "woke" as far I understand the word woke being used. LGBT propaganda. I'm not interested in seeing that. Netflix, part of an ISP package for 1 year. I barely watched it. The series are uninteresting. The one movie I saw that was somewhat good was "Don't look up". If the pirate offerings were not available I would just not watch the stuff. When I was young I had CD and vynil collections, I DJed, I created music. I spent so much money to in the end have my records and CDs stolen and my career ended. Music and movies, series, all disposable "art". How I spend my time is playing games or coding and watching Twitch IRL streams on the side, enough to make some noise and you get to see different places around the globe. Nowadays movies are just superhero shit and Barbie and other stupid nonsensical stuff. Low quality/ effort stuff and overpriced. And tons of recreations/remasters. Same for games, a lot of low quality and effort, high price garbage and remasters. Quality over quantity. You don't need much, you need 1 thing that's good. And the thing with streaming service, either they're not available in my country or they're expensive. 8€ per month or more to access, temporary access to a limited collection of content. And if you want it all, you have to subscribe to 4 5 or more services all with their own little walled garden app. And in terms of Netflix, they're so hostile towards their users. Sharing the account with someone in your house is against their rules? Fuck off. They pay flat rate for their egress. It's just pure greed. I'm not playing their game. Let's see if dictator dang shadowbanned me, because he doesn't like the truth, like all little silicon valley bitches
shrimp_emoji 3y ago
Lost Sale Fallacy There's no way I'd see anything I download for free otherwise. I don't even have a TV, and I'm not getting one of those spyware shit boxes any time soon. The thought of subscribing to some service which leases content to me in exchange for paying them back indefinitely is a joke to me; I'll never do it for anything. If they sold DRM-free digital movies and shows, like they do for music (and sometimes books), it'd be a different story. I like to own files and store and play them however I want. I don't pirate music because it's easier to search and buy it DRM-free on an online store. Also, "digital piracy" makes as much sense as "digital murder". Piracy is robbing people of physical goods because pirates can't copy them for free ad infinitum. If they could, we'd be in some post-scarcity paradise, where "piracy" wouldn't even have violent criminal connotations. And what we're trying to do is impose the same tyrannies of physical scarcity on the paradise we have in cyberspace. Because of a fallacious urge to get more $$$ (in a specific, paranoid business model that ironically decreases your sales)! :D

by buro9 3y ago

II2II 3y ago

> Perhaps if labels and studios paid artists more their argument would resonate more with the fans who consume the art. Granted, I'm probably an outlier here since I'm not a big consumer of the type of media they're talking about, but it seems like affordability and convenience would be much bigger factors. Keep in mind that people were doing things like sharing accounts even when streaming services were undergoing massive growth. It doesn't sound like they had much concern about artists or other people working behind the scenes.

ekianjo 3y ago

> it robs the creator of their income. Yawn... sounds like 1999, when the piracy was supposed to kill the music industry. It survived, and thrived just fine. So tired of seeing this bullshit.

jowea 3y ago
Don't the artists now get a much bigger share of their income from shows? That's not really an option for the TV/Movie/Video media producers.
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  There was a time when many artists said "It’s OK if people download, as long as they come to the show and buy merch, where the money goes directly into our pockets." However, touring has become more expensive for bands. It is now common to hear of even fairly popular acts canceling a tour somewhere, just because they can’t make it work out financially. Add to this two years of restrictions on live performances under COVID in many countries and there was no obvious way for acts to generate a decent income.

lakomen 3y ago

Robbing the creator of their income... As if they have a right to sales. Then you have a large number of low quality/low effort and high price "products". It's not enough to just create something, it must be good. You can't just for instance create a piece of music that sounds terrible and expect it to sell, then blame piracy for lost sales, or make a low budget "film" with your phone and expect people to pay , idk how much a movie DVD or blue ray or whatever medium it is nowadays costs and blame piracy again. Or recent real life example, Diablo 4. Low effort, unfinished game with a static map and huge pointless grind and they wanted 70€. 100€ for the deluxe edition including season 1 pass. A complete failure of a game, unfinished, boring and overpriced. EA has started selling their new games for 70€ base now. I can't and won't afford that. I have my go to MMORPG which I play out of boredom and I download a pirated game every so often. Most of the time this game gets uninstalled very quickly. So there I saw the game, saw it was bad and no harm done. Then there are games I liked playing (BG3) or did not like (Starfield) but still played and did not buy, because the price is too expensive BG3 60€, Starfield 70€ (if Diablo 4 can so can we, right). Movies, man I pay 23€ / month for a TV streaming service that is buggy and has loads of ads. Sometimes I dick around and go to some online movie and series platform and watch the Disney Star Wars series or Star Trek. The Star Trek series are particularly disappointing and I'm glad I didn't pay some subscription service for temporary access to their platform. I was subscribed to HBO Go but only as part of the local ISP's TV bundle. When it became HBO Max it became much worse. Also the content is "woke" as far I understand the word woke being used. LGBT propaganda. I'm not interested in seeing that. Netflix, part of an ISP package for 1 year. I barely watched it. The series are uninteresting. The one movie I saw that was somewhat good was "Don't look up". If the pirate offerings were not available I would just not watch the stuff. When I was young I had CD and vynil collections, I DJed, I created music. I spent so much money to in the end have my records and CDs stolen and my career ended. Music and movies, series, all disposable "art". How I spend my time is playing games or coding and watching Twitch IRL streams on the side, enough to make some noise and you get to see different places around the globe. Nowadays movies are just superhero shit and Barbie and other stupid nonsensical stuff. Low quality/ effort stuff and overpriced. And tons of recreations/remasters. Same for games, a lot of low quality and effort, high price garbage and remasters. Quality over quantity. You don't need much, you need 1 thing that's good. And the thing with streaming service, either they're not available in my country or they're expensive. 8€ per month or more to access, temporary access to a limited collection of content. And if you want it all, you have to subscribe to 4 5 or more services all with their own little walled garden app. And in terms of Netflix, they're so hostile towards their users. Sharing the account with someone in your house is against their rules? Fuck off. They pay flat rate for their egress. It's just pure greed. I'm not playing their game. Let's see if dictator dang shadowbanned me, because he doesn't like the truth, like all little silicon valley bitches

shrimp_emoji 3y ago

Lost Sale Fallacy There's no way I'd see anything I download for free otherwise. I don't even have a TV, and I'm not getting one of those spyware shit boxes any time soon. The thought of subscribing to some service which leases content to me in exchange for paying them back indefinitely is a joke to me; I'll never do it for anything. If they sold DRM-free digital movies and shows, like they do for music (and sometimes books), it'd be a different story. I like to own files and store and play them however I want. I don't pirate music because it's easier to search and buy it DRM-free on an online store. Also, "digital piracy" makes as much sense as "digital murder". Piracy is robbing people of physical goods because pirates can't copy them for free ad infinitum. If they could, we'd be in some post-scarcity paradise, where "piracy" wouldn't even have violent criminal connotations. And what we're trying to do is impose the same tyrannies of physical scarcity on the paradise we have in cyberspace. Because of a fallacious urge to get more $$$ (in a specific, paranoid business model that ironically decreases your sales)! :D