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Indians Are Entering the U.S. Illegally in Record Numbers

41 points by impish9208 3y ago

ram_rar 3y ago
https://archive.ph/N0MBX https://archive.ph/N0MBX
dayeye2006 3y ago
I think the same thing happens to Chinese, too. Many people are entering from the boarder. US has a huge issue in the border control on the south side.
- deleted 3y ago
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- mattgrice 3y ago
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sheepscreek 3y ago
I find it ironic to see (what I think is) the Trump wall in the background. The entire argument for building it was to prevent such crossings. It looks massive.
- wkat4242 3y ago
  But her emails!
- Obergruppen 3y ago
  What makes you think it is the Trump wall? Various incarnations of border wall have existed for a hundred years [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border_wall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_b...
- orangepurple 3y ago
  It's easy to wade through the shallow water at Eagle Pass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hQY0jaVLNM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hQY0jaVLNM US Border Partol will also cut down the concertina wire put down by Texas to make it easier for illegals to come in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKeiba3EJq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKeiba3EJq4 Then there is the matter of the doors in the border wall being welded open by US Border Patrol. https://nypost.com/2023/08/22/border-patrol-admits-its-responsible-for-open-floodgates-in-arizona-border-wall/ https://nypost.com/2023/08/22/border-patrol-admits-its-respo... If you can't find that one you can use this one instead which is big enough for semi trucks to drive through https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lKm0ws_iPg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lKm0ws_iPg There are several more crossings I know of where illegals can walk around the end of the existing wall and line up to be apprehended then released to NGOs. They line up and wait in a line to be taken by US Border Patrol buses. Its not just 1 or 2 places. There are MANY such breaks in the fence where US Border Patrol collects illegals and releases them to the US after capturing some biometric information. https://odysee.com/@InconvenientTruths:c/we've-arrived-in-the-us!-chinese-family:e https://odysee.com/@InconvenientTruths:c/we've-arrived-in-th... https://odysee.com/@Daveincali:d/migrants-crossing-illegally-into:9 https://odysee.com/@Daveincali:d/migrants-crossing-illegally... We are in the middle of a active full scale invasion by military age males yet all people seem to care about are wars oceans away.
- 0xy 3y ago
  If agents are prevented from capturing illegal entrants and the current administration invests $0 in upkeep of the border wall then this seems inevitable. After the newer border wall was built, it reduced crossings in those areas by >70%. Of course, when the current policy amounts to 'we won't stop you when you come in', it not only doesn't deter crossings but it encourages them. It's ironic, because it reflects the shifting landscape of Democrat policy, who's members repeatedly voted for a border wall and border security measures (Biden voted for the 2006 Secure Fence Act and has previously stated employers who employ illegals should be jailed).
gigatexal 3y ago
If I lived in Modi’s India I’d flee , too.
- IceHegel 3y ago
  It's interesting that despite the distain for Modi among US libs, he's by fair the most popular democratically elected leader. https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/politics/story/pm-modi-most-popular-leader-globally-overtakes-biden-trudeau-survey-319815-2022-01-21 https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/politics/story/pm-modi-m... Bukele is more popular in some polls. Also not super popular on MSNBC.
  - clipsy 3y ago
    Why is that interesting?
    - IceHegel 3y ago
      Because he’s not popular at Harvard or the NYT.
  - Nevermark 3y ago
    Interesting is a pretty generic attribute. Can you fill out any point you are making further?
  - gigatexal 3y ago
    Populist ideologes often are popular, for the subset of people that stand to benefit from their heavy handed policies. I’m not sure the Muslims that died under his blind eye or their families would vote for him. Modi is popular much in the same way the Taliban is popular and seen as having brought stability to Afghanistan as since they have been in power the violence and bombings etc have stopped. The only problem is it was the Taliban doing all the violence. Go figure.
    - IceHegel 3y ago
      democracy for me but not for thee
IceHegel 3y ago
At what point does an open border sorta make the government illegitimate? The state is just ignoring its own laws on this issue for one reason or another.
- roenxi 3y ago
  Probably never. The US government has a lot of laws, ignores a lot of things. The issue is more that it is impossible to have an open border combined with any sort of welfare state. And there is a question about political compatibility - at some point there is a difference between individual migration and an invasion. But realistically, the US had the debate on this decades ago and has decided that insofar as there is a national culture it doesn't consider it threatened by migrants with foreign views. It is a bit late to get worried about it now for obvious reasons.
- shmde 3y ago
  Do you really think the government doesnt know about this ? That too the country known as "Big Brother" ? Americans want people who can work below minimum wage so they get to work the illegally migrated for low paying jobs like delivering food, getting their houses cleaned, gardening, construction work. The governemnt gets to play both sides by making labour cheap and also campaigning "Build the Wall".
  - gettodachoppa 3y ago
    RICH people who control both parties want lower wages for Americans. And Democrats will never allow border protection because the illegal immigrants they gleefully import become Democrat voters. If any working/middle class people complain, the people who control the culture and media will ensure they get smeared as racists.
    - greydius 3y ago
      How do illegal immigrants become voters?
      - 3y ago
upyours 3y ago
I wonder what industries these guys crossing are going to go into. I have a feeling its going to be tech. Get ready for software companies paying cash to people under the table to do their work like construction companies.
unmole 3y ago
> After the second time Arshdeep Singh, a supporter of a Sikh political party in Punjab, was threatened by men he believed were affiliated with India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata Party, his father made arrangements for him to leave the country. This makes zero sense. It has either been spun by the WSJ or the individual in question. The BJP has almost no political clout in Punjab. It currently holds only 2 seats out of 117 in the legislative assembly. When it was in government, it was as a minor partner in an alliance with the SAD, an unambiguously Sikh party. The idea that thugs affiliated with the BJP are threatening people in Punjab and making them flee the country is patently absurd.
illegalmemory 3y ago
I would definitely take it with a grain of salt. The ruling party in Punjab is from AAP. The author seems to have written article without complete facts in hand.
- hiyer 3y ago
  And before that it was Congress. Bjp (modi's party) has not been in power in punjab since 2017, when it was the minor partner in a coalition govt with shiromani akali dal.
shmde 3y ago
It might seem like all Indians are trying to get into US by hook or crook. But to be honest its just from 3 specific states out of the 28. Pareto blah blah. I wont name the states. The people who do have confidence in migrating illegaly successfully have a very very strong community over there who can help them out with basic needs like food and shelter and can get them blue collar jobs.
- readthenotes1 3y ago
  In some areas, illegal immigrants are allowed govt welfare. Starve in your home country, or endure a miserable and dangerous Journey for security? That is what brought the original European settlers over...
  - shmde 3y ago
    Trust me the ones truly starving in our country do not have the enormous initial capital to pay the mule for crossing the border illegaly. Its NOT cheap for someone in India to illegaly migrate to a country soo far away. Maybe to a neighbouring country but definetly not to somewhere like USA, Canada, country in Europe.
- hiyer 3y ago
  > I wont name the states. Punjab, Andhra and Telangana?
klipklop 3y ago
I remember when this was a conspiracy theory and there was no crisis at the border.
- ekianjo 3y ago
  Covid did not come from a lab either. Mother nature did it all!
airocker 3y ago
(Increased influx === Modi is bad) is just plain untrue because the state of Punjab's police was never under Modi. In fact, separatist supported government has been in power in the most recent elections. Maybe US and Canada should investigate if this separatist movement solely exists so that people can enter the US and Canada. In 1984, there were massive riots and many sikhs got to immigrate to the west. It was followed by demands of a Sikh state. Now, we are not sure this movement even exists in India. India is not Europe where an independent land locked state can exist with limited resources and Pakistan as its western neighbor. This is just a Schrodinger Cat experiment where immigration policies of the west actually make the movement exist. Also, this reads like a full propaganda piece which even promotes a Shah Rukh khan movie. Maybe not worthy of an HN first page post.
- raincom 3y ago
  Yes, one needs some or another political persecution to get asylum. In UK, lawyers coach applicants to get asylum [1] “Some pro-Khalistan political parties in India charged one to two lakh rupees--$2500 USD--for giving ‘letter’ to youth, who use it for seeking political asylum in Canada after falsely claiming that they were party cadres and being persecuted in India on religious grounds" [2] [1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333013/Immigration-law-firms-LIE-authorities-win-asylum.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333013/Immigratio... [2] https://www.livemint.com/news/world/prokhalistan-elements-in-canada-attracting-sikh-youth-through-visa-sponsorship-11695868107341.html https://www.livemint.com/news/world/prokhalistan-elements-in...
amriksohata 3y ago
This is utter tripe, it is well known that Khalistani nationalists (separatists in India) and illegal immigrants use fake cases of persecution in India and even have letters written by anti-Modi MPs to go abroad to show they are being persecuted as an excuse to get asylum in other countries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oYsQsGgcH8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oYsQsGgcH8 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333013/Immigration-law-firms-LIE-authorities-win-asylum.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333013/Immigratio...
foogazi 3y ago
What’s the NPV of a human being ? If the US could get a human in 25 years vs now how much should we pay for that kind of growth ?
thunderbong 3y ago
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41 points by impish9208 3y ago

https://archive.ph/N0MBX https://archive.ph/N0MBX

dayeye2006 3y ago

I think the same thing happens to Chinese, too. Many people are entering from the boarder. US has a huge issue in the border control on the south side.

deleted 3y ago
[deleted]
mattgrice 3y ago
[flagged]

sheepscreek 3y ago

I find it ironic to see (what I think is) the Trump wall in the background. The entire argument for building it was to prevent such crossings. It looks massive.

wkat4242 3y ago
But her emails!
Obergruppen 3y ago
What makes you think it is the Trump wall? Various incarnations of border wall have existed for a hundred years [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border_wall https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_b...
orangepurple 3y ago
It's easy to wade through the shallow water at Eagle Pass. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hQY0jaVLNM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hQY0jaVLNM US Border Partol will also cut down the concertina wire put down by Texas to make it easier for illegals to come in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKeiba3EJq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKeiba3EJq4 Then there is the matter of the doors in the border wall being welded open by US Border Patrol. https://nypost.com/2023/08/22/border-patrol-admits-its-responsible-for-open-floodgates-in-arizona-border-wall/ https://nypost.com/2023/08/22/border-patrol-admits-its-respo... If you can't find that one you can use this one instead which is big enough for semi trucks to drive through https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lKm0ws_iPg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lKm0ws_iPg There are several more crossings I know of where illegals can walk around the end of the existing wall and line up to be apprehended then released to NGOs. They line up and wait in a line to be taken by US Border Patrol buses. Its not just 1 or 2 places. There are MANY such breaks in the fence where US Border Patrol collects illegals and releases them to the US after capturing some biometric information. https://odysee.com/@InconvenientTruths:c/we've-arrived-in-the-us!-chinese-family:e https://odysee.com/@InconvenientTruths:c/we've-arrived-in-th... https://odysee.com/@Daveincali:d/migrants-crossing-illegally-into:9 https://odysee.com/@Daveincali:d/migrants-crossing-illegally... We are in the middle of a active full scale invasion by military age males yet all people seem to care about are wars oceans away.
0xy 3y ago
If agents are prevented from capturing illegal entrants and the current administration invests $0 in upkeep of the border wall then this seems inevitable. After the newer border wall was built, it reduced crossings in those areas by >70%. Of course, when the current policy amounts to 'we won't stop you when you come in', it not only doesn't deter crossings but it encourages them. It's ironic, because it reflects the shifting landscape of Democrat policy, who's members repeatedly voted for a border wall and border security measures (Biden voted for the 2006 Secure Fence Act and has previously stated employers who employ illegals should be jailed).

gigatexal 3y ago

If I lived in Modi’s India I’d flee , too.

IceHegel 3y ago
It's interesting that despite the distain for Modi among US libs, he's by fair the most popular democratically elected leader. https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/politics/story/pm-modi-most-popular-leader-globally-overtakes-biden-trudeau-survey-319815-2022-01-21 https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/politics/story/pm-modi-m... Bukele is more popular in some polls. Also not super popular on MSNBC.
- clipsy 3y ago
  Why is that interesting?
  - IceHegel 3y ago
    Because he’s not popular at Harvard or the NYT.
- Nevermark 3y ago
  Interesting is a pretty generic attribute. Can you fill out any point you are making further?
- gigatexal 3y ago
  Populist ideologes often are popular, for the subset of people that stand to benefit from their heavy handed policies. I’m not sure the Muslims that died under his blind eye or their families would vote for him. Modi is popular much in the same way the Taliban is popular and seen as having brought stability to Afghanistan as since they have been in power the violence and bombings etc have stopped. The only problem is it was the Taliban doing all the violence. Go figure.
  - IceHegel 3y ago
    democracy for me but not for thee

IceHegel 3y ago

At what point does an open border sorta make the government illegitimate? The state is just ignoring its own laws on this issue for one reason or another.

roenxi 3y ago
Probably never. The US government has a lot of laws, ignores a lot of things. The issue is more that it is impossible to have an open border combined with any sort of welfare state. And there is a question about political compatibility - at some point there is a difference between individual migration and an invasion. But realistically, the US had the debate on this decades ago and has decided that insofar as there is a national culture it doesn't consider it threatened by migrants with foreign views. It is a bit late to get worried about it now for obvious reasons.
shmde 3y ago
Do you really think the government doesnt know about this ? That too the country known as "Big Brother" ? Americans want people who can work below minimum wage so they get to work the illegally migrated for low paying jobs like delivering food, getting their houses cleaned, gardening, construction work. The governemnt gets to play both sides by making labour cheap and also campaigning "Build the Wall".
- gettodachoppa 3y ago
  RICH people who control both parties want lower wages for Americans. And Democrats will never allow border protection because the illegal immigrants they gleefully import become Democrat voters. If any working/middle class people complain, the people who control the culture and media will ensure they get smeared as racists.
  - greydius 3y ago
    How do illegal immigrants become voters?
    - 3y ago

upyours 3y ago

I wonder what industries these guys crossing are going to go into. I have a feeling its going to be tech. Get ready for software companies paying cash to people under the table to do their work like construction companies.

unmole 3y ago

> After the second time Arshdeep Singh, a supporter of a Sikh political party in Punjab, was threatened by men he believed were affiliated with India’s ruling Bharatiya Janata Party, his father made arrangements for him to leave the country. This makes zero sense. It has either been spun by the WSJ or the individual in question. The BJP has almost no political clout in Punjab. It currently holds only 2 seats out of 117 in the legislative assembly. When it was in government, it was as a minor partner in an alliance with the SAD, an unambiguously Sikh party. The idea that thugs affiliated with the BJP are threatening people in Punjab and making them flee the country is patently absurd.

illegalmemory 3y ago

I would definitely take it with a grain of salt. The ruling party in Punjab is from AAP. The author seems to have written article without complete facts in hand.

hiyer 3y ago
And before that it was Congress. Bjp (modi's party) has not been in power in punjab since 2017, when it was the minor partner in a coalition govt with shiromani akali dal.

shmde 3y ago

It might seem like all Indians are trying to get into US by hook or crook. But to be honest its just from 3 specific states out of the 28. Pareto blah blah. I wont name the states. The people who do have confidence in migrating illegaly successfully have a very very strong community over there who can help them out with basic needs like food and shelter and can get them blue collar jobs.

readthenotes1 3y ago
In some areas, illegal immigrants are allowed govt welfare. Starve in your home country, or endure a miserable and dangerous Journey for security? That is what brought the original European settlers over...
- shmde 3y ago
  Trust me the ones truly starving in our country do not have the enormous initial capital to pay the mule for crossing the border illegaly. Its NOT cheap for someone in India to illegaly migrate to a country soo far away. Maybe to a neighbouring country but definetly not to somewhere like USA, Canada, country in Europe.
hiyer 3y ago
> I wont name the states. Punjab, Andhra and Telangana?

klipklop 3y ago

I remember when this was a conspiracy theory and there was no crisis at the border.

ekianjo 3y ago
Covid did not come from a lab either. Mother nature did it all!

airocker 3y ago

(Increased influx === Modi is bad) is just plain untrue because the state of Punjab's police was never under Modi. In fact, separatist supported government has been in power in the most recent elections. Maybe US and Canada should investigate if this separatist movement solely exists so that people can enter the US and Canada. In 1984, there were massive riots and many sikhs got to immigrate to the west. It was followed by demands of a Sikh state. Now, we are not sure this movement even exists in India. India is not Europe where an independent land locked state can exist with limited resources and Pakistan as its western neighbor. This is just a Schrodinger Cat experiment where immigration policies of the west actually make the movement exist. Also, this reads like a full propaganda piece which even promotes a Shah Rukh khan movie. Maybe not worthy of an HN first page post.

raincom 3y ago
Yes, one needs some or another political persecution to get asylum. In UK, lawyers coach applicants to get asylum [1] “Some pro-Khalistan political parties in India charged one to two lakh rupees--$2500 USD--for giving ‘letter’ to youth, who use it for seeking political asylum in Canada after falsely claiming that they were party cadres and being persecuted in India on religious grounds" [2] [1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333013/Immigration-law-firms-LIE-authorities-win-asylum.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333013/Immigratio... [2] https://www.livemint.com/news/world/prokhalistan-elements-in-canada-attracting-sikh-youth-through-visa-sponsorship-11695868107341.html https://www.livemint.com/news/world/prokhalistan-elements-in...

amriksohata 3y ago

This is utter tripe, it is well known that Khalistani nationalists (separatists in India) and illegal immigrants use fake cases of persecution in India and even have letters written by anti-Modi MPs to go abroad to show they are being persecuted as an excuse to get asylum in other countries. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oYsQsGgcH8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oYsQsGgcH8 https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333013/Immigration-law-firms-LIE-authorities-win-asylum.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12333013/Immigratio...

foogazi 3y ago

What’s the NPV of a human being ? If the US could get a human in 25 years vs now how much should we pay for that kind of growth ?

thunderbong 3y ago

https://archive.ph/Q0L5n https://archive.ph/Q0L5n