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Like my kitchen drawer full of old iPhones that won't take the latest bloated OS? Or my perfectly good MacBook Pro that's three years out of a supported Apple

Like my kitchen drawer full of old iPhones that won't take the latest bloated OS? Or my perfectly good MacBook Pro that's three years out of a supported Apple OS but can still run up to date Windows or Linux? All because Apple was too lazy to maintain a few hardware drivers.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago
Hey, we're only supposed to be hating on Microsoft here. Beloved Apple is not to be touched.
- pierat 3y ago
  Tell me about it. The more it happens when I see an "unpopular Apple Criticism" here, almost makes me think that they have an equivalent of the 50 cent army. Its a little too questionable here. Then again, it's VC's who have the logs where those IP's down downvotes are coming from.
  - freedomben 3y ago
    Indeed, there is no quicker way to amass downvotes than to criticize Apple on HN. Fair or not it will attract the ire of the masses. I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out why the tech industry and the hacker community especially can be so enamored of an anti-hacker company like Apple that it becomes part of their identity, leading to hyper defensiveness and the downvoting/killing we see. I don't feel like I understand it yet so I'd be fascinated to hear theories.
    - ecshafer 3y ago
      When i did my undergrad (northeast state school), there were more linux users in cs / math than windows or mac. In startupy tech places they often use mac as well (instead of linux for some reason). And big tech usually uses mac (better reasons i think). Private schools and rich neighborhoods are like 95% mac usage, its wild. So I have always assumed it had to do with class growing up, working class kids like linux since they can run their own stuff and revive old computers.
      - ok_dad 3y ago
        I can do everything that I want to do on my MacBook that I could do on my previous Linux laptop. I use the CLI a lot, and I can run any local servers that I want. I can program in any language and install or compile everything I need on it. Also, when it’s broken, I can take it into a store and it’s fixed in hours. I’m a parent and old so I value my time more than anything. Linux doesn’t allow me to do what I want while also being stupid easy to fix, which would be fine for young me, but not today. You value something else other than your time, so you prefer Linux because whatever you value isn’t available in Apple products. It’s not hard to understand: people like different things.
    - CuriouslyC 3y ago
      A long time ago Apples were the computers of rebels and creatives (i.e. smart counterculture types). For a lot of Gen X and late Millennials it has somehow kept that aura despite being the epitome of mainstream, while simultaneously now having an aura of luxury akin to BMW in the car space. Steve Jobs' reality distortion field lives on from the grave.
    - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
      HN is pretty balanced between Apple haters and Apple lovers, the downvotes come from either poorly thought out comments or one side or the other downvoting/killing based on ideology rather than for any rational reason.
      - freedomben 3y ago
        On the whole (macro-level) you're probably right, but HN is pretty fragmented by interest. For example on this article (micro-level) there aren't as many mac users because the headline doesn't interest them. But if you go to a mac-related headline, it will be 90+% Apple lovers and any criticism whatsoever will get your comment obliviated.
        seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        People will self select the articles are interested in. For example, anytime a vaccine related article comes up on HN, the anti vaxers appears in force, but I doubt this represents much about HN’s true membership. But ya, the thread’s specifically about Apple’s product announcement attract a lot of traffic but are still selecting for their reader’s biases. I guess many Apple haters are unique in that they are extremely interested in participating in Apple-focused posts, rather than just ignoring them. I personally will downvote the “I hate the X (eg iPhone) so you shouldn’t be able to buy X” comments, which I find really bizarre.
        Jensson 3y ago
        > I personally will downvote the “I hate the X (eg iPhone) so you shouldn’t be able to buy X” comments, which I find really bizarre. The bizarre part is why do you want to see people as worse than they actually are? Doesn't make sense. Nobody on HN is saying you shouldn't be allowed to buy an iPhone, you telling yourself that is their argument isn't helping you, you would be much happier if you understood them better.
        freedomben 3y ago
        For sure there are plenty of anti-apple comments that lack merit and deserve a downvote. I certainly won't disagree with that. And I also agree, it is interesting how many Apple haters will read Apple articles. I think the reason for that is that Apple is such a powerful defining force for the tech world. What Apple does has heavy ramifications for everyone, not just Apple fans. For example, removing the headphone jack, charging 30% for the app store, creating the AirPods, establishing a market for smart watches, and now potentially establishing a market for VR headsets, particularly on the high end and with normal people i.e. non-gamers (I say that with love as I am a gamer).
  - CuriouslyC 3y ago
    Social media reputation "protection" is used by all major corporations, even if they say they don't, they'll often retain the services of independent PR/marketing firms who then retain the services of shill farms. It's just Russian Dolls of plausible deniability, which makes sense if you think about it, if a firm was trying to improve their online reputation/social media buzz, they wouldn't want to risk having it ironically backfire by being outed for using shills.
  - az09mugen 3y ago
    Take my upvote
- deleted 3y ago
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fh9302 3y ago
They just released an update for the iPhone 6s – a 9 year old phone. They are better than most others in the smartphone industry.
- eviks 3y ago
  There are too few big players in the industry for the "most" to carry much weight
  - tinus_hn 3y ago
    So just hate on the player that least deserves it. Big brained move.
eviks 3y ago
At least with MacBook you can use an opencore project to update your OS unlike with the more locked down smaller brother
throwaway5959 3y ago
[flagged]
- PraetorianGourd 3y ago
  This trope is getting tired. It is perfectly valid to ask why an author of a piece focused on one company and not another. It is perfectly valid to point out that while _x_ does a thing, _y_ also does the thing. It doesn't invalidate the original criticism at all, in fact "how would I feel if a company/person/country I admire did this?" is an incredibly useful tool to check against one's own biases. Calling something what-about-ism doesn't contribute to a discussion, it kills it. And it doesn't support the point nor does it refute the counterpoint.. It just dismisses any opportunity for discussion.
  - throwaway5959 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - throwaway5959 3y ago
    I’m curious what was so egregious about my comment that you felt the need to flag it. That seems like a pretty extreme thing to do over pointing out a clear example of whataboutism.
    - PraetorianGourd 3y ago
      I didn't flag it. I don't believe that I've ever flagged a comment. I believe doing so removes the opportunity for dialog and only serves to give the illusion of consensus or harmony
Hamcha 3y ago
Yeah the headline is so exaggerated you can literally come up with a retort faster than they could come up with it. Heck I bet if a new Windows XP exploit showed up tomorrow it would still wreck chaos.

FirmwareBurner 3y ago

Hey, we're only supposed to be hating on Microsoft here. Beloved Apple is not to be touched.

pierat 3y ago
Tell me about it. The more it happens when I see an "unpopular Apple Criticism" here, almost makes me think that they have an equivalent of the 50 cent army. Its a little too questionable here. Then again, it's VC's who have the logs where those IP's down downvotes are coming from.
- freedomben 3y ago
  Indeed, there is no quicker way to amass downvotes than to criticize Apple on HN. Fair or not it will attract the ire of the masses. I've spent a lot of time trying to figure out why the tech industry and the hacker community especially can be so enamored of an anti-hacker company like Apple that it becomes part of their identity, leading to hyper defensiveness and the downvoting/killing we see. I don't feel like I understand it yet so I'd be fascinated to hear theories.
  - ecshafer 3y ago
    When i did my undergrad (northeast state school), there were more linux users in cs / math than windows or mac. In startupy tech places they often use mac as well (instead of linux for some reason). And big tech usually uses mac (better reasons i think). Private schools and rich neighborhoods are like 95% mac usage, its wild. So I have always assumed it had to do with class growing up, working class kids like linux since they can run their own stuff and revive old computers.
    - ok_dad 3y ago
      I can do everything that I want to do on my MacBook that I could do on my previous Linux laptop. I use the CLI a lot, and I can run any local servers that I want. I can program in any language and install or compile everything I need on it. Also, when it’s broken, I can take it into a store and it’s fixed in hours. I’m a parent and old so I value my time more than anything. Linux doesn’t allow me to do what I want while also being stupid easy to fix, which would be fine for young me, but not today. You value something else other than your time, so you prefer Linux because whatever you value isn’t available in Apple products. It’s not hard to understand: people like different things.
  - CuriouslyC 3y ago
    A long time ago Apples were the computers of rebels and creatives (i.e. smart counterculture types). For a lot of Gen X and late Millennials it has somehow kept that aura despite being the epitome of mainstream, while simultaneously now having an aura of luxury akin to BMW in the car space. Steve Jobs' reality distortion field lives on from the grave.
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    HN is pretty balanced between Apple haters and Apple lovers, the downvotes come from either poorly thought out comments or one side or the other downvoting/killing based on ideology rather than for any rational reason.
    - freedomben 3y ago
      On the whole (macro-level) you're probably right, but HN is pretty fragmented by interest. For example on this article (micro-level) there aren't as many mac users because the headline doesn't interest them. But if you go to a mac-related headline, it will be 90+% Apple lovers and any criticism whatsoever will get your comment obliviated.
      - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
        People will self select the articles are interested in. For example, anytime a vaccine related article comes up on HN, the anti vaxers appears in force, but I doubt this represents much about HN’s true membership. But ya, the thread’s specifically about Apple’s product announcement attract a lot of traffic but are still selecting for their reader’s biases. I guess many Apple haters are unique in that they are extremely interested in participating in Apple-focused posts, rather than just ignoring them. I personally will downvote the “I hate the X (eg iPhone) so you shouldn’t be able to buy X” comments, which I find really bizarre.
        Jensson 3y ago
        > I personally will downvote the “I hate the X (eg iPhone) so you shouldn’t be able to buy X” comments, which I find really bizarre. The bizarre part is why do you want to see people as worse than they actually are? Doesn't make sense. Nobody on HN is saying you shouldn't be allowed to buy an iPhone, you telling yourself that is their argument isn't helping you, you would be much happier if you understood them better.
        freedomben 3y ago
        For sure there are plenty of anti-apple comments that lack merit and deserve a downvote. I certainly won't disagree with that. And I also agree, it is interesting how many Apple haters will read Apple articles. I think the reason for that is that Apple is such a powerful defining force for the tech world. What Apple does has heavy ramifications for everyone, not just Apple fans. For example, removing the headphone jack, charging 30% for the app store, creating the AirPods, establishing a market for smart watches, and now potentially establishing a market for VR headsets, particularly on the high end and with normal people i.e. non-gamers (I say that with love as I am a gamer).
- CuriouslyC 3y ago
  Social media reputation "protection" is used by all major corporations, even if they say they don't, they'll often retain the services of independent PR/marketing firms who then retain the services of shill farms. It's just Russian Dolls of plausible deniability, which makes sense if you think about it, if a firm was trying to improve their online reputation/social media buzz, they wouldn't want to risk having it ironically backfire by being outed for using shills.
- az09mugen 3y ago
  Take my upvote
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fh9302 3y ago

They just released an update for the iPhone 6s – a 9 year old phone. They are better than most others in the smartphone industry.

eviks 3y ago
There are too few big players in the industry for the "most" to carry much weight
- tinus_hn 3y ago
  So just hate on the player that least deserves it. Big brained move.

eviks 3y ago

At least with MacBook you can use an opencore project to update your OS unlike with the more locked down smaller brother

throwaway5959 3y ago

[flagged]

PraetorianGourd 3y ago
This trope is getting tired. It is perfectly valid to ask why an author of a piece focused on one company and not another. It is perfectly valid to point out that while _x_ does a thing, _y_ also does the thing. It doesn't invalidate the original criticism at all, in fact "how would I feel if a company/person/country I admire did this?" is an incredibly useful tool to check against one's own biases. Calling something what-about-ism doesn't contribute to a discussion, it kills it. And it doesn't support the point nor does it refute the counterpoint.. It just dismisses any opportunity for discussion.
- throwaway5959 3y ago
  [flagged]
- throwaway5959 3y ago
  I’m curious what was so egregious about my comment that you felt the need to flag it. That seems like a pretty extreme thing to do over pointing out a clear example of whataboutism.
  - PraetorianGourd 3y ago
    I didn't flag it. I don't believe that I've ever flagged a comment. I believe doing so removes the opportunity for dialog and only serves to give the illusion of consensus or harmony

Hamcha 3y ago

Yeah the headline is so exaggerated you can literally come up with a retort faster than they could come up with it. Heck I bet if a new Windows XP exploit showed up tomorrow it would still wreck chaos.