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Frankly, I can't imagine a reason not to buy an iPhone instead of whatever Android device happens to be around besides ideological differences. The customer ex

Frankly, I can't imagine a reason not to buy an iPhone instead of whatever Android device happens to be around besides ideological differences. The customer experience is so vastly superior to these bloatware filled, borderline spyware Samsung/Xiamoi/OnePlus devices.

croes 3y ago
What Samsung did is actually more of an Apple move. Total control, even the source shop of your phone.
- wiseowise 3y ago
  Parent isn’t talking about control. Their comment is off-topic, but correct.
  - croes 3y ago
    Parent says his prison is prettier, I say they his prison was the first of its kind and others start to copy it.
    - wiseowise 3y ago
      In his prison only warden snoops in your stuff, in Samsung other inmates too.
- jwr 3y ago
  And yet it is Samsung that we are talking about and that did the "move". Not Apple.
- brookst 3y ago
  “No true Samsung”
tjpnz 3y ago
I'm not buying after the client scanning debacle. That they would even come up with something like troubles me greatly, and I was tempted to ditch Android at that point.
- brookst 3y ago
  You prefer totally non-transparent cloud scanning that allows for ad hoc, warrantless, untraceable, personally-targeted scans from anyone who can threaten a big company? I saw client-side scanning as much more transparent and limited. Yes, there could be abuses, but there is not a single possible abuse worse than what is already happening every day with cloud-side scanning.
  - tjpnz 3y ago
    I don't want any of my data scanned which is why I don't tend to store it in the cloud. If Apple rolled out client side scanning what's to prevent them from extending it to all data on the device, regardless of whether it's synced to iCloud?
    - fh9302 3y ago
      Apple has made it clear that they won't move forward with client side scanning after feedback from researchers and customers. Instead, they added optional E2EE for iCloud. It's not perfect yet but significantly better than most other cloud providers.
      - alwayslikethis 3y ago
        Just proposing the idea is enough to dissuade them from using their products for anything personal. More importantly though, unlike Android it's much harder to use Apple without using cloud, and the cloud is just someone else's computer. Not your computer, not your data. There is also no freedom on iOS to install things you want without permission from Apple.
    - brookst 3y ago
q3k 3y ago
Most of the world simply can't afford an iPhone.
- elforce002 3y ago
  If Apple releases mid-tier phone after this, they will win the market for sure.
  - doubled112 3y ago
    Isn't an iPhone SE pretty mid-tier?
    - toast0 3y ago
      $429 MSRP for the SE (3rd) vs $250 MSRP for a Moto G 5G 2023. There's certainly arguments to be had about comparisons, and maybe better pricing with careful shopping and hoop jumping, but Apple simply doesn't address the wide global market of people with limited means, and it shows in their global market share.
  - taway1237 3y ago
    You forgot the other reason. I don't want an IPhone because I prefer to actually own my device (and because Android is overall more secure and I personally care about this).
    - Skunkleton 3y ago
      > I prefer to actually own my device What do you mean by that? Its an odd take in an article about Android users learning they don't own their device. > and because Android is overall more secure and I personally care about this citation?
      - iavael 3y ago
        You can flash android phone with another OS that won't spy on you. And you cannot do this with iPhone.
Belopolye 3y ago
I realize this makes me sound black-pilled, but mobile platforms (Apple included) are so user-hostile with regard to privacy I’m not even sure the battle is worth fighting. IMO it’s better to just hold your nose, limit what you use your phone for as much as you can, and do everything important/sensitive on a computer that you have root access on.
- brookst 3y ago
  God I wish I did anything interesting enough to merit that level of concern.
  - armada651 3y ago
    People are always unconcerned until their data leaks, then it turns out that the stuff they considered uninteresting was actually something they'd rather have kept private.
    - Belopolye 3y ago
      At that point I think my challenge is to not have anything you’d rather be private on a platform you don’t actually have control over, or why have it on a phone in the first place.
      - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
        One of the most private things your phone knows about you is where you are at any given time. It's completely possible to design phones and cellular networks in such a way that they don't reveal that information to third parties, but we haven't, and that's bad.
  - Belopolye 3y ago
    I suppose that’s the other side of this. There’s a kind of privacy-as-ideology black hole that I’ve seen people get sucked into, even if in actuality they have nothing and do nothing actually illegal/immoral/sensitive. Taking the time to install a custom ROM, run only FOSS apps, or find workarounds for needed apps, etc only to spend 90% of your time watching YouTube just doesn’t seem like a gain.
tristor 3y ago
Mostly people buy Android because it’s cheaper (for non-flagship devices). In so many areas of our world today we have two-tiered experiences, one for the moderately wealthy and a different one for the poors.

croes 3y ago

What Samsung did is actually more of an Apple move. Total control, even the source shop of your phone.

wiseowise 3y ago
Parent isn’t talking about control. Their comment is off-topic, but correct.
- croes 3y ago
  Parent says his prison is prettier, I say they his prison was the first of its kind and others start to copy it.
  - wiseowise 3y ago
    In his prison only warden snoops in your stuff, in Samsung other inmates too.
jwr 3y ago
And yet it is Samsung that we are talking about and that did the "move". Not Apple.
brookst 3y ago
“No true Samsung”

tjpnz 3y ago

I'm not buying after the client scanning debacle. That they would even come up with something like troubles me greatly, and I was tempted to ditch Android at that point.

brookst 3y ago
You prefer totally non-transparent cloud scanning that allows for ad hoc, warrantless, untraceable, personally-targeted scans from anyone who can threaten a big company? I saw client-side scanning as much more transparent and limited. Yes, there could be abuses, but there is not a single possible abuse worse than what is already happening every day with cloud-side scanning.
- tjpnz 3y ago
  I don't want any of my data scanned which is why I don't tend to store it in the cloud. If Apple rolled out client side scanning what's to prevent them from extending it to all data on the device, regardless of whether it's synced to iCloud?
  - fh9302 3y ago
    Apple has made it clear that they won't move forward with client side scanning after feedback from researchers and customers. Instead, they added optional E2EE for iCloud. It's not perfect yet but significantly better than most other cloud providers.
    - alwayslikethis 3y ago
      Just proposing the idea is enough to dissuade them from using their products for anything personal. More importantly though, unlike Android it's much harder to use Apple without using cloud, and the cloud is just someone else's computer. Not your computer, not your data. There is also no freedom on iOS to install things you want without permission from Apple.
  - brookst 3y ago

q3k 3y ago

Most of the world simply can't afford an iPhone.

elforce002 3y ago
If Apple releases mid-tier phone after this, they will win the market for sure.
- doubled112 3y ago
  Isn't an iPhone SE pretty mid-tier?
  - toast0 3y ago
    $429 MSRP for the SE (3rd) vs $250 MSRP for a Moto G 5G 2023. There's certainly arguments to be had about comparisons, and maybe better pricing with careful shopping and hoop jumping, but Apple simply doesn't address the wide global market of people with limited means, and it shows in their global market share.
- taway1237 3y ago
  You forgot the other reason. I don't want an IPhone because I prefer to actually own my device (and because Android is overall more secure and I personally care about this).
  - Skunkleton 3y ago
    > I prefer to actually own my device What do you mean by that? Its an odd take in an article about Android users learning they don't own their device. > and because Android is overall more secure and I personally care about this citation?
    - iavael 3y ago
      You can flash android phone with another OS that won't spy on you. And you cannot do this with iPhone.

Belopolye 3y ago

I realize this makes me sound black-pilled, but mobile platforms (Apple included) are so user-hostile with regard to privacy I’m not even sure the battle is worth fighting. IMO it’s better to just hold your nose, limit what you use your phone for as much as you can, and do everything important/sensitive on a computer that you have root access on.

brookst 3y ago
God I wish I did anything interesting enough to merit that level of concern.
- armada651 3y ago
  People are always unconcerned until their data leaks, then it turns out that the stuff they considered uninteresting was actually something they'd rather have kept private.
  - Belopolye 3y ago
    At that point I think my challenge is to not have anything you’d rather be private on a platform you don’t actually have control over, or why have it on a phone in the first place.
    - AnthonyMouse 3y ago
      One of the most private things your phone knows about you is where you are at any given time. It's completely possible to design phones and cellular networks in such a way that they don't reveal that information to third parties, but we haven't, and that's bad.
- Belopolye 3y ago
  I suppose that’s the other side of this. There’s a kind of privacy-as-ideology black hole that I’ve seen people get sucked into, even if in actuality they have nothing and do nothing actually illegal/immoral/sensitive. Taking the time to install a custom ROM, run only FOSS apps, or find workarounds for needed apps, etc only to spend 90% of your time watching YouTube just doesn’t seem like a gain.

tristor 3y ago

Mostly people buy Android because it’s cheaper (for non-flagship devices). In so many areas of our world today we have two-tiered experiences, one for the moderately wealthy and a different one for the poors.