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Yes, I once had a failed startup, and ended up with $40K in credit card debt. I assume you are personally liable for the business credit card debt. (As you ge
by CatDancer 18y ago
Yes, I once had a failed startup, and ended up with $40K in credit card debt.
I assume you are personally liable for the business credit card debt. (As you generally can't get a business credit card without personally guaranteeing it). So, just to be clear on your situation, you are 30K in debt. (Regardless of what happens to the "business", you, personally, have 30K of debt).
Step one is to get yourself stabilized emotionally and financially. Good job on selling your car and moving out of your apartment.
These four servers that are sitting idle? Are these the ones that cost a total of $600/month, and you are contracted to keep paying $600/month through the end of January? (Am I clear on the situation?) Go and talk to the hosting company (the company you owe the $600/month to). In person. Not email, not phone, go sit down with a manager in person. Ask for mercy. Lay out the facts of your situation, just as you've done here. Say, "I know I owe you $600/month, and legally you have a right to that out of my last $6k check. Since I'm in this bad situation that I didn't expect, I'm asking if you would have mercy on me and let me out of my contract. Is there anything you can do to help?"
Next, write down a minimum monthly budget that contains the bare necessities: food, gas for the car, small gifts for your parents and friends to thank them for letting you bum off of them, the minimum payments on your credit cards. I mean this literally, write it down. On a piece of paper, or in a spreadsheet. You need to be able to look at the number, "$X/month", and say, "I can survive on that". Temporarily. While you catch your breath, and decide what next to do.
Next, I recommend you stop using debt as a tool to build your business. If you have a great money making idea that needs some capital, go get investors. Yes, you will pay the investors more in their share of the business than you would on interest payments, but you're making lots of money anyway, so what? And if the business fails, you walk away free and clear.
From a business point of view, the problem with debt is that is deadens the signal that you'd otherwise be hearing that you're on the wrong track financially. It's like some who suffers from leprosy, who loses the ability to feel pain in their extremities. The greatest damage comes not from the leprosy itself, but that people accidentally wound themselves (leave their feet in the campfire or something), and don't notice because they don't feel pain. Run your business on a cash basis, and you'll feel the pain of not being profitable right away, and make course corrections immediately. Run your business of debt, you rationalize things like you "have to" pay for ads upfront and invoice in arrears. Then you don't notice you've gone off course until you've gone over the edge.
You have a lot of ideas for things you can do now, and that's great! Find one that is going to be cash flow positive from the beginning. For example, those customer sites you could finish, or that product you could launch? Talk to people and bang on doors until you find someone who will pay you in advance, at least that portion which will be enough to pay for your minimal monthly budget for however long it will take you to get the project done. If your idea is good enough, if someone really wants it, they will pay upfront. If not, that's a signal that you need a better idea, something that your customers actually want. Don't go further into debt so that you can ignore the signal, instead pay attention to the signal.
OK, the 30K in debt that you're in now? Don't worry about it. Pay the minimum payments, and forget about it. Don't go further into debt, but for now don't worry about paying off the debt (aside from the monthly minimums) either. Sooner or later you'll get yourself back on your feet, make some money, and write a check to pay off the 30K. Until then, ignore it.
The CS degree? Don't worry about it. Employers and clients only care about what you can do for them. Now, if you haven't done anything yet, and you have a CS degree, then the CS degree is evidence that you're able to do things. (You at least made it through graduate school, and you're at least fairly smart). But you can show what you've done, and only a tiny, tiny percentage of employers or clients are going to care if you have a CS degree or not, as long as you can show them, as you can, what you can do.
But again, the very first thing to do is to put together you minimum monthly survival budget, and say, "OK. All I need to do, for now, is make this much to survive. I can do that". Once you do that, once you have your survival needs taken care of, then your stress lifts, your creativity comes back, and you will find it easy to start making money again.
- timr 18y agoBoy...I was ready to vote up this comment, but then I hit the part about not worrying about the $30k in credit-card debt. Instant down arrow. Absolutely TERRIBLE advice. Whatever you do, you really must pay down the debt. Minimum payments aren't going to cut it -- this is revolving debt that you're talking about, and if you don't make more than the minimum payments, it's only going to get worse. People routinely go bankrupt by ignoring their credit cards. Moreover, so long as you're paying tens of percent interest on your debt (as with most credit-card interest rates), every other investment that you make has to return more than your interest payments for the investment to be worthwhile. If you view a business as an investment -- just like a stock or bond -- then it makes no sense to start one while indebted unless you're sure that the return will exceed he cost of the debt. Otherwise, you're just taking careless risks with your finances, in the name of a more adventurous lifestyle. Living frugally, you can easily pay down $30k in a few years at any decent job. Negotiate with your lenders, get the interest rate as low as you can, liquidate the corporate assets, and get rid of the debt. Starting a company is hard enough -- don't saddle yourself with the additional burden of serious personal debt before you begin.
- CatDancer 18y agoI did that. I got a contracting job making $50/hour, worked for a year, grossed $100K ($50 an hour times 40 hours a week times 50 weeks in a year), paid off my $40K debt, paid $40K in taxes, and lived off of the remaining $20K. So I want to be clear what my advice is... if you still think it's terrible advice, that's fine, as long as I'm not being confusing as to what I'm trying to say. If I found myself in patryn20's shoes, or in my own shoes again, I personally would pay off the credit card debt before doing anything to upgrade my lifestyle. I'd stay bumming with my parents and friends, or, if that was starting to impact my productivity, get a really cheap apartment. No luxuries until the debt was paid off. However, I wouldn't now make paying off the debt the very first priority. If I found myself in the same shoes again, I would not now stay in a contracting job just to get rid of the debt. Absolutely I would want to see the debt going down. However I understand now the reason that is important is because it means that I'm now paying attention to the financial signals in my life. The debt itself is only 30K, and if I paid even 30% interest on that, that's only 9K a year. That's not going to kill me. What's important is the mindset, the understanding, that I'm now going to steer my business and my personal finances in the correct direction, and that I'm going to listen to the financial signals in my life instead of papering over them with debt. Get that right, and it won't matter if I end up paying off the debt in three months or two years. For decision making purposes (such as, suppose patryn20 wants to start another business, should he do it or not?), I claim what's important is the time derivative of his net worth. Does the proposed business put him further into debt, making the derivative of his net worth negative? Then I would say, no, don't do it. If it is going to make money, leading to raising his net worth, and he wants to start a business, he's fired up about starting a business, he's excited by starting a business, go for it. I wouldn't base the decision on the net worth itself, I wouldn't say "don't go into business while your net worth is negative". I wouldn't necessarily give the same advice to anyone. If someone had 30K of consumer debt from overspending, I'd be concerned at their successful ability to manage their business finances when they can't manage their personal finances. For such a person I probably would recommend getting a job and getting their personal finances under control (paying off the debt), before getting into a business. However patryn20 has a track record of a successful business, just in my opinion over leveraged, and right at the moment he reeling from a pretty hard blow. So my advice for him is different than it would be for a hypothetical person who was in 30K of credit card debt for a different reason.