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how does Israel give evacuation warnings if Palestinian telcos are offline?

by solarpunk 3y ago

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
2 weeks ago...
- solarpunk 3y ago
  can you elaborate?
  - orionsbelt 3y ago
    Israel has given repeated warnings for the north of Gaza to evacuate south for the past two weeks while Gaza has had internet. In addition, they have dropped leaflets all over the are stating the same thing.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      The only real problem is that there isn't anything to evacuate to and whatever they leave behind they'll lose forever.
      - onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
        "Israel didn't warn them." "Okay, they did, but it doesn't matter." Got it.
        jacquesm 3y ago
        I don't think I can follow your reasoning.
      - tyre 3y ago
        and bombing the roads and executing strikes on the fleeing civilians
      - invalidname 3y ago
        How is this Israels fault at this point? There are a lot of historic things that are its fault, but at this point the Hamas left it no choice whatsoever. It won't accept anything less than the destruction of Israel. It still holds kidnapped children and elderly civilians. It's still firing missiles into Israel as of today... The Palestinian people got squeezed in the middle because of that and it's terrible. What more can Israel do if the Hamas is willing to sacrifice its own civilians and literally places its headquarters under a hospital (which Israel didn't bomb).
        jacquesm 3y ago
        Yes, Hamas is committing atrocities. Yes, Israel is committing atrocities as well. Both sides have elements that seem to want to drive this conflict ever forward. You end this conflict without a way to control the extremist elements on both sides, and given that Hamas has - successfully, which they shouldn't have been able to do in the first place - attacked Israel and now Israel will respond with even more violence the only thing that will happen is that both sides' fanatics will gain a larger fraction of the population to support them. The opposite is what should be happening and Israel arguably has the strongest position in this conflict and also by far the most to lose.
        invalidname 3y ago
        > Yes, Hamas is committing atrocities. Yes, Israel is committing atrocities as well. NO! None of that crap. Israel isn't great as a democracy and its current government is the absolute worst possible... It's still not in the "both" camp by a mile. It is held to a higher standard than the Hamas (as it should) and it is far "cleaner" in its bombing campaign than any recent western country (sure, mostly the USA). This is despite continued Hamas missiles against civilians and their holding of kidnapped children as young as 3 years of age! > Both sides have elements that seem to want to drive this conflict ever forward. No. The Hamas attacked. Up to that point Israel was increasing the number of Gazans allowed into Israel for work etc. Moving to relax hostilities. The Hamas has no interest in any movement towards civility or peace. There's literally no choice. The only way to finish this is to get every single Hamas operative. Otherwise this will happen again. Hopefully this will end up as good for the Palestinians and as part of a road for the moderates among them to rise. That's why Biden has spent a lot of time in Israel talking about the day after the war. That's very important and can be a good thing overall for both sides.
    - solarpunk 3y ago
      excuse my naivete, but if they're giving two week notice about bombings, why even waste the ordinance?
      - yowzadave 3y ago
        Right, is the idea that it will be helpful to just make everybody homeless?
      - DoreenMichele 3y ago
        As another person who doesn't understand what's going on, I'm seeing articles that indicate they are effectively trying to drive people out and force them to leave and move to other countries and not come back and trying to use low cost tactics like telling them to evacuate to limit actual cost as well as international pushback. And some people are saying "That's a big fat nope."
        invalidname 3y ago
        Historically in 1948 Palestinians left their home and due to ongoing wars were never able to come back. Effectively they lost their home. They're afraid this is happening again. Honestly, I don't know if it is or if it isn't. But what can Israel do here? Israel said the area they will target which puts its soldiers at risk. In the interest of avoiding civilian casualties. Israel already withdrew settlements from Gaza so the chances of this coming back is pretty slim. It's a pretty terrible situation for the Palestinian people and it's 100% the fault of Hamas. Unfortunately, if Israel won't destroy the Hamas now this will happen again and it will be worse.
        DoreenMichele 3y ago
        Historically in 1948 Palestinians left their home and due to ongoing wars were never able to come back. Effectively they lost their home. They're afraid this is happening again. Yes, that's what I've been reading. Various nations do not want to welcome "temporary refugees" because they feel they've seen this before and it will not be temporary. There will be no going back if that option is accepted. I have no idea what "should" be done. I'm still trying to understand the situation. There are deep and bitter roots. All parties to the conflict have grievances and there are no obvious solutions to seemingly anyone, especially not some sort of win-win talking points solutions.
    - tachyons 3y ago
      Except it was just a an eyewash, people tried to move got killed on the way, people also got murdered in the so called safe areas by Israel.
      - YZF 3y ago
        Do you have a breakdown of how many civilian casualties were in the north vs. south? And how many were killed on the way? Israel denies attacking anyone on the way. There was plenty of reporting showing people moving along the main arteries that were recommended and those look clear with no debris or any other evidence of attack. I'm aware of a single incident where it was claimed Israel attacked someone evacuating and this is still contested. Israel has never said it will not attack in the south of the Gaza strip. It just said the bulk of its operation will be in the north. It explicitly said it would go after military targets in the south as well.
        tachyons 3y ago
        Take control over all water sources, electricity and disconnect it, ask people to leave their house without even enough food and destroy whatever they have gained during the life time. And still bomb them claiming that location they moved has military targets. https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/8/27/photos-palestinians-still-struggle-to-get-enough-water https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/8/27/photos-palestini... (pre Oct 7)
        YZF 3y ago
        "Al Jazeera is a Qatari state-owned Arabic-language news television network" Excuse me if I'm not going to take that as a source. Israel only provided some fraction of water and electricity to Gaza and is under no obligation to keep providing that in a state of war. Do you have other examples of countries at war when one side provides the other with water and electricity? Look- you're right that Israel has asked people to leave everything behind and move. War sucks. I can't say I don't sympathize with those people, I do. You seem to have some emotional connection to this situation and I certainly do. I don't have any solutions unfortunately. Israelis have been pushed to the corner right now.
    - user982 3y ago
      Israel then bombed south Gaza after herding the Palestinians there: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-attacking-south-gaza-after-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-atta...
      - invalidname 3y ago
        That misrepresents localized bombings on specific terrorist holdouts in the south. If you look at aerial photos published by the IDF you can clearly see the level of destruction on the north which is at a different scale. Despite that even the inflated numbers published by the Hamas don't correlate to the number of bombs. I think it was about 7k dead when Israel claims it threw 7k bombs on the area. That requires amazing precision and dedication, bombs are designed for mass killing. Yet even the inflated numbers show less than 1 casualty per bombing. Those numbers don't separate the number of actual combatants that were killed (as opposed to civilians). I'm not for bombing in general, I think it's a terrible weapon. But the ground invasion will probably kill a lot more civilians as it's harder to fight in narrow streets. Stray bullets and shelling kill a lot of innocent bystanders. Overall, Israel doesn't have a choice here. The Hamas is still holding civilian hostages. It is still firing missiles on civilian Israeli cities. It is the reason this is happening. I'm sorry for the Palestinian people but they will probably be better off without the Hamas.
civilitty 3y ago
Roof knocking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking
- bhouston 3y ago
  They stopped that practice in this war.
  - DoreenMichele 3y ago
    From the wikipedia piece linked to by the person to whom you are replying: Roof knocking occurred during some strikes in the October 2023 Gaza−Israel conflict. And it links to a piece describing the conflict that began October 7th.
    - bhouston 3y ago
      I don't know what the situation is since I am not in Gaza, but this CNN article I read early says that it was abandoned recently: https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-10-10-23/h_d39b6c124285f924eb81d4807a77ce68 https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-ga...
      - DoreenMichele 3y ago
        Ah, okay, so they stopped it sometime after this conflict began. Thank you.
    - mcpackieh 3y ago
      I've been watching live webcam footage of Gaza since things started to get hot. I've watched huge bombs level buildings in Gaza out of the blue with no preceding small explosions as warning. Whatever the IDF may say, they aren't "roof knocking".
      - catlover76 3y ago
        Dude, why would you watch something like that? I'm not accusing you of being perverse or anything, but what is your motivation and your reasoning?
FireBeyond 3y ago
It doesn't. Barely did when they were online, either. News media were in danger quite a lot, because of it, "late, vague, inaccurate, or never delivered" has been a common refrain about such warnings. Hell, even the IRA did a better job of issuing warnings about their bombs in The Troubles...
tradethedelta 3y ago
Total joke and misinformation that the IDF would call an entire building worth of people on their cellphones to warn them. Think about how difficult it is to do this accurately. And even if they had the technical capabilities to pinpoint cellphone users in a single building, how many are they calling? How many are answering? Total BS propaganda from the Israelis
- culi 3y ago
  Israel told a million people to evacuate. Literally impossible considering their blockade of any aid. Not only do Gazans know it's a trap and they'd likely be shot, but it's obviously a political excuse to pretend like they gave people a chance
petertodd 3y ago
They've been giving evacuation warnings for many days with both leaflets and the cell phone network: > Residents in Gaza reported that Israeli planes rained red leaflets on neighborhoods Saturday, urging residents to evacuate. Those with cell phones also received the message digitally, according to social media reports. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/21/idf-prepares-for-ground-invasion-00122881 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/21/idf-prepares-for-gr...
- solarpunk 3y ago
  they're reduced to dropping leaflets at night?
- avtar 3y ago
  They've been giving evacuation warnings and then proceeding to bomb the very areas where people have been fleeing to... https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-attacking-south-gaza-after-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-atta...
  - petertodd 3y ago
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    - xerxesaa 3y ago
      And yet this did not save Wael Al-Dahdouh's family. He followed every order and evacuated his family. His wife, kids, and grandchild were wiped out in an airstrike in a refugee camp no less. He handled it with immense maturity and dedication. He's back to work reporting on the war.
      - petertodd 3y ago
        > And yet this did not save Wael Al-Dahdouh's family. As I have repeatedly said, in a war of this nature large numbers of Gazan civilians will inevitably die. As long as Israel eliminates Hamas, this is unavoidable. If Israel fails to eliminate Hamas, large numbers of Israeli's will be killed by Hamas in the future. Between those two options, obviously Israel is going to choose the option where Israli's don't get slaughtered again in the future. As they should. Hamas is evil and needs to be destroyed. Which means, killing or capturing the tens of thousands of Hamas soldiers and other members. Hamas soldiers alone are about 30,000 to 40,000 people. Those men need to be killed or captured.
invalidname 3y ago
The warnings were given for a while now. Unfortunately, the Hamas has set up roadblocks to prevent civilians from fleeing to the safe zone. They are using civilians (their own people and children) as human shields.
- leereeves 3y ago
  What safe zone? Israel is bombing south Gaza too. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-attacking-south-gaza-after-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-atta...
  - invalidname 3y ago
    The attacks there are mild and usually follow the prior procedure of warning shot before the attack giving people time to hide. In the south it only targets actionable intelligence e.g. the Hamas "navy seal" unit was in the south next to a port. That was a very localized specific attack.
    - leereeves 3y ago
      Are you saying the attacks in the north are not based on actionable intelligence?
      - invalidname 3y ago
        They are more widespread. In the south they have very specific and narrow targets.
    - megous 3y ago
      > The attacks there are mild and usually follow the prior procedure of warning shot before the attack giving people time to hide. This is just unsourced lie. There are thousands of victims in the south. 9/11 was a mild attack by your judgement. https://t.me/MOHMediaGaza/4296?single https://t.me/MOHMediaGaza/4296?single
tupolef 3y ago
Don't forget electricity too. Now IDF says that they use cellphones and leaflets. - No electricity to charge your cellphone. - Leaflets from previous strikes flying around in this small area for many days. - A lot of injured people, hard to move. - sometime you need to you have to sleep too, how do you check for new flying leaflets outside all the time? In a war we should just assume that everything is false and true at the same time. Involved people have choosen a side, but others are to assume that everyone involved is lying.
dorony 3y ago
Which evacuation warning did Hamas give the 1000 civilians it murdered, tortured, raped and burned alive on October 7th?
- megous 3y ago
  Purpose of the question is?

how does Israel give evacuation warnings if Palestinian telcos are offline?

onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago

2 weeks ago...

solarpunk 3y ago
can you elaborate?
- orionsbelt 3y ago
  Israel has given repeated warnings for the north of Gaza to evacuate south for the past two weeks while Gaza has had internet. In addition, they have dropped leaflets all over the are stating the same thing.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    The only real problem is that there isn't anything to evacuate to and whatever they leave behind they'll lose forever.
    - onlyrealcuzzo 3y ago
      "Israel didn't warn them." "Okay, they did, but it doesn't matter." Got it.
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        I don't think I can follow your reasoning.
    - tyre 3y ago
      and bombing the roads and executing strikes on the fleeing civilians
    - invalidname 3y ago
      How is this Israels fault at this point? There are a lot of historic things that are its fault, but at this point the Hamas left it no choice whatsoever. It won't accept anything less than the destruction of Israel. It still holds kidnapped children and elderly civilians. It's still firing missiles into Israel as of today... The Palestinian people got squeezed in the middle because of that and it's terrible. What more can Israel do if the Hamas is willing to sacrifice its own civilians and literally places its headquarters under a hospital (which Israel didn't bomb).
      - jacquesm 3y ago
        Yes, Hamas is committing atrocities. Yes, Israel is committing atrocities as well. Both sides have elements that seem to want to drive this conflict ever forward. You end this conflict without a way to control the extremist elements on both sides, and given that Hamas has - successfully, which they shouldn't have been able to do in the first place - attacked Israel and now Israel will respond with even more violence the only thing that will happen is that both sides' fanatics will gain a larger fraction of the population to support them. The opposite is what should be happening and Israel arguably has the strongest position in this conflict and also by far the most to lose.
        invalidname 3y ago
        > Yes, Hamas is committing atrocities. Yes, Israel is committing atrocities as well. NO! None of that crap. Israel isn't great as a democracy and its current government is the absolute worst possible... It's still not in the "both" camp by a mile. It is held to a higher standard than the Hamas (as it should) and it is far "cleaner" in its bombing campaign than any recent western country (sure, mostly the USA). This is despite continued Hamas missiles against civilians and their holding of kidnapped children as young as 3 years of age! > Both sides have elements that seem to want to drive this conflict ever forward. No. The Hamas attacked. Up to that point Israel was increasing the number of Gazans allowed into Israel for work etc. Moving to relax hostilities. The Hamas has no interest in any movement towards civility or peace. There's literally no choice. The only way to finish this is to get every single Hamas operative. Otherwise this will happen again. Hopefully this will end up as good for the Palestinians and as part of a road for the moderates among them to rise. That's why Biden has spent a lot of time in Israel talking about the day after the war. That's very important and can be a good thing overall for both sides.
  - solarpunk 3y ago
    excuse my naivete, but if they're giving two week notice about bombings, why even waste the ordinance?
    - yowzadave 3y ago
      Right, is the idea that it will be helpful to just make everybody homeless?
    - DoreenMichele 3y ago
      As another person who doesn't understand what's going on, I'm seeing articles that indicate they are effectively trying to drive people out and force them to leave and move to other countries and not come back and trying to use low cost tactics like telling them to evacuate to limit actual cost as well as international pushback. And some people are saying "That's a big fat nope."
      - invalidname 3y ago
        Historically in 1948 Palestinians left their home and due to ongoing wars were never able to come back. Effectively they lost their home. They're afraid this is happening again. Honestly, I don't know if it is or if it isn't. But what can Israel do here? Israel said the area they will target which puts its soldiers at risk. In the interest of avoiding civilian casualties. Israel already withdrew settlements from Gaza so the chances of this coming back is pretty slim. It's a pretty terrible situation for the Palestinian people and it's 100% the fault of Hamas. Unfortunately, if Israel won't destroy the Hamas now this will happen again and it will be worse.
        DoreenMichele 3y ago
        Historically in 1948 Palestinians left their home and due to ongoing wars were never able to come back. Effectively they lost their home. They're afraid this is happening again. Yes, that's what I've been reading. Various nations do not want to welcome "temporary refugees" because they feel they've seen this before and it will not be temporary. There will be no going back if that option is accepted. I have no idea what "should" be done. I'm still trying to understand the situation. There are deep and bitter roots. All parties to the conflict have grievances and there are no obvious solutions to seemingly anyone, especially not some sort of win-win talking points solutions.
  - tachyons 3y ago
    Except it was just a an eyewash, people tried to move got killed on the way, people also got murdered in the so called safe areas by Israel.
    - YZF 3y ago
      Do you have a breakdown of how many civilian casualties were in the north vs. south? And how many were killed on the way? Israel denies attacking anyone on the way. There was plenty of reporting showing people moving along the main arteries that were recommended and those look clear with no debris or any other evidence of attack. I'm aware of a single incident where it was claimed Israel attacked someone evacuating and this is still contested. Israel has never said it will not attack in the south of the Gaza strip. It just said the bulk of its operation will be in the north. It explicitly said it would go after military targets in the south as well.
      - tachyons 3y ago
        Take control over all water sources, electricity and disconnect it, ask people to leave their house without even enough food and destroy whatever they have gained during the life time. And still bomb them claiming that location they moved has military targets. https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/8/27/photos-palestinians-still-struggle-to-get-enough-water https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/8/27/photos-palestini... (pre Oct 7)
        YZF 3y ago
        "Al Jazeera is a Qatari state-owned Arabic-language news television network" Excuse me if I'm not going to take that as a source. Israel only provided some fraction of water and electricity to Gaza and is under no obligation to keep providing that in a state of war. Do you have other examples of countries at war when one side provides the other with water and electricity? Look- you're right that Israel has asked people to leave everything behind and move. War sucks. I can't say I don't sympathize with those people, I do. You seem to have some emotional connection to this situation and I certainly do. I don't have any solutions unfortunately. Israelis have been pushed to the corner right now.
  - user982 3y ago
    Israel then bombed south Gaza after herding the Palestinians there: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-attacking-south-gaza-after-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-atta...
    - invalidname 3y ago
      That misrepresents localized bombings on specific terrorist holdouts in the south. If you look at aerial photos published by the IDF you can clearly see the level of destruction on the north which is at a different scale. Despite that even the inflated numbers published by the Hamas don't correlate to the number of bombs. I think it was about 7k dead when Israel claims it threw 7k bombs on the area. That requires amazing precision and dedication, bombs are designed for mass killing. Yet even the inflated numbers show less than 1 casualty per bombing. Those numbers don't separate the number of actual combatants that were killed (as opposed to civilians). I'm not for bombing in general, I think it's a terrible weapon. But the ground invasion will probably kill a lot more civilians as it's harder to fight in narrow streets. Stray bullets and shelling kill a lot of innocent bystanders. Overall, Israel doesn't have a choice here. The Hamas is still holding civilian hostages. It is still firing missiles on civilian Israeli cities. It is the reason this is happening. I'm sorry for the Palestinian people but they will probably be better off without the Hamas.

civilitty 3y ago

Roof knocking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking

bhouston 3y ago
They stopped that practice in this war.
- DoreenMichele 3y ago
  From the wikipedia piece linked to by the person to whom you are replying: Roof knocking occurred during some strikes in the October 2023 Gaza−Israel conflict. And it links to a piece describing the conflict that began October 7th.
  - bhouston 3y ago
    I don't know what the situation is since I am not in Gaza, but this CNN article I read early says that it was abandoned recently: https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-10-10-23/h_d39b6c124285f924eb81d4807a77ce68 https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-ga...
    - DoreenMichele 3y ago
      Ah, okay, so they stopped it sometime after this conflict began. Thank you.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    I've been watching live webcam footage of Gaza since things started to get hot. I've watched huge bombs level buildings in Gaza out of the blue with no preceding small explosions as warning. Whatever the IDF may say, they aren't "roof knocking".
    - catlover76 3y ago
      Dude, why would you watch something like that? I'm not accusing you of being perverse or anything, but what is your motivation and your reasoning?

FireBeyond 3y ago

It doesn't. Barely did when they were online, either. News media were in danger quite a lot, because of it, "late, vague, inaccurate, or never delivered" has been a common refrain about such warnings. Hell, even the IRA did a better job of issuing warnings about their bombs in The Troubles...

tradethedelta 3y ago

Total joke and misinformation that the IDF would call an entire building worth of people on their cellphones to warn them. Think about how difficult it is to do this accurately. And even if they had the technical capabilities to pinpoint cellphone users in a single building, how many are they calling? How many are answering? Total BS propaganda from the Israelis

culi 3y ago
Israel told a million people to evacuate. Literally impossible considering their blockade of any aid. Not only do Gazans know it's a trap and they'd likely be shot, but it's obviously a political excuse to pretend like they gave people a chance

petertodd 3y ago

They've been giving evacuation warnings for many days with both leaflets and the cell phone network: > Residents in Gaza reported that Israeli planes rained red leaflets on neighborhoods Saturday, urging residents to evacuate. Those with cell phones also received the message digitally, according to social media reports. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/21/idf-prepares-for-ground-invasion-00122881 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/21/idf-prepares-for-gr...

solarpunk 3y ago
they're reduced to dropping leaflets at night?
avtar 3y ago
They've been giving evacuation warnings and then proceeding to bomb the very areas where people have been fleeing to... https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-attacking-south-gaza-after-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-atta...
- petertodd 3y ago
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  - xerxesaa 3y ago
    And yet this did not save Wael Al-Dahdouh's family. He followed every order and evacuated his family. His wife, kids, and grandchild were wiped out in an airstrike in a refugee camp no less. He handled it with immense maturity and dedication. He's back to work reporting on the war.
    - petertodd 3y ago
      > And yet this did not save Wael Al-Dahdouh's family. As I have repeatedly said, in a war of this nature large numbers of Gazan civilians will inevitably die. As long as Israel eliminates Hamas, this is unavoidable. If Israel fails to eliminate Hamas, large numbers of Israeli's will be killed by Hamas in the future. Between those two options, obviously Israel is going to choose the option where Israli's don't get slaughtered again in the future. As they should. Hamas is evil and needs to be destroyed. Which means, killing or capturing the tens of thousands of Hamas soldiers and other members. Hamas soldiers alone are about 30,000 to 40,000 people. Those men need to be killed or captured.

invalidname 3y ago

The warnings were given for a while now. Unfortunately, the Hamas has set up roadblocks to prevent civilians from fleeing to the safe zone. They are using civilians (their own people and children) as human shields.

leereeves 3y ago
What safe zone? Israel is bombing south Gaza too. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-attacking-south-gaza-after-telling-people-go-there-2023-10-25/ https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/why-is-israel-atta...
- invalidname 3y ago
  The attacks there are mild and usually follow the prior procedure of warning shot before the attack giving people time to hide. In the south it only targets actionable intelligence e.g. the Hamas "navy seal" unit was in the south next to a port. That was a very localized specific attack.
  - leereeves 3y ago
    Are you saying the attacks in the north are not based on actionable intelligence?
    - invalidname 3y ago
      They are more widespread. In the south they have very specific and narrow targets.
  - megous 3y ago
    > The attacks there are mild and usually follow the prior procedure of warning shot before the attack giving people time to hide. This is just unsourced lie. There are thousands of victims in the south. 9/11 was a mild attack by your judgement. https://t.me/MOHMediaGaza/4296?single https://t.me/MOHMediaGaza/4296?single

tupolef 3y ago

Don't forget electricity too. Now IDF says that they use cellphones and leaflets. - No electricity to charge your cellphone. - Leaflets from previous strikes flying around in this small area for many days. - A lot of injured people, hard to move. - sometime you need to you have to sleep too, how do you check for new flying leaflets outside all the time? In a war we should just assume that everything is false and true at the same time. Involved people have choosen a side, but others are to assume that everyone involved is lying.

dorony 3y ago

Which evacuation warning did Hamas give the 1000 civilians it murdered, tortured, raped and burned alive on October 7th?

megous 3y ago
Purpose of the question is?