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At this point, I think Gaza is pretty much doomed. There won’t be much left at the end of this special military operation.

by _lvbh 3y ago

asylteltine 3y ago
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User23 3y ago
There will be 25 miles of beautiful Mediterranean coastline for Israeli settlers. At least, that certainly has to have crossed the mind of someone in power.
- r00fus 3y ago
  Israel has been expanding at the cost of Palestine for decades. This is just the last bit. Killing or displacing the 2.2M Palestinians is what it takes for Israel to finally complete their occupation.
  - petertodd 3y ago
    In the West Bank, yes. Not in Gaza, where Israel did the exactly opposite of expanding by deoccupying Gaza in 2005, even kicking out thousands of Israli Jews who were living there.
    - FireBeyond 3y ago
      When Israel "resettles" Jews in Gaza, they do it by giving them a home in Israel. When Israel "resettles" Palestinians in Gaza (interesting concept), they do it by bulldozing the homes they want them out of.
    - r00fus 3y ago
      Followed by continued settlements further reducing Gaza’s size.
    - megous 3y ago
      https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/closing-life-and-death-gaza-s-access-restricted-areas https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/... Yeah, I really feel for Israel after reading this. Always thinking of those poor Gazans to give them more space behind the fence.
- bhouston 3y ago
  > At least, that certainly has to have crossed the mind of someone in power. 100%: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231009-israel-mk-calls-for-a-second-nakba-in-gaza/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231009-israel-mk-calls-f...
  - shihab 3y ago
    Here's another one: Israeli think tank lays out a blueprint for the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza [1].... "The Misgav Institute is headed by former Netanyahu National Security Advisor Meir Ben Shabbat, who remains influential in Israeli security circles. The Institute’s former chairpersons and founding associates include Yoaz Hendel (chair 2012-19), a right-centrist who was Minister of Communications intermittently in the years 2020-22; Moshe Yaalon, former Defense Minister (note that both Hendel and Yaalon have become opposed to Netanyahu in the recent years); Moshe Arens, also former Defense Minister — and other top political personas." [1] https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-think-tank-lays-out-a-blueprint-for-the-complete-ethnic-cleansing-of-gaza/ https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-think-tank-lays-out-a...
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      It's horrific that a solution that was never going to work could well end up making Israel the progenitors of another genocide. This is the sort of thing that makes me wonder about whether humanity even stands a chance in the long run.
      - User23 3y ago
        I’m reliably told that diversity is a strength. Why can’t a stronger more diverse Israel work?
petertodd 3y ago
It's estimated that Hamas has between 30,000 and 40,000 soldiers(1), which is about 6% to 8% of Gaza's entire adult male population. There's no way of getting around it: if Israel finishes the job of eradicating Hamas, a large percentage of the Gazan population will be killed or captured, purely because so many of them are actively involved in Hamas. Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they still have a future. In Germany about 5 million German soldiers were killed, almost as many as the 6 million Jews they slaughtered. At the time that was a double digit percentage of the entire male population. But Germany rebuilt and is now a thriving country. 1) https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/palestine-hamas-military-power https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/palestine-hamas-military-po...
- bhouston 3y ago
  petertodd wrote: > Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they still have a future. That is genocidal language where you are holding civilians accountable. The Gazan population does not favor Hamas according to polling prior to October 7th: https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/1718007927556964511 https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/171800792755696451... Hamas was also boosted by Netanyahu in part to prevent a two-state solution and diminish moderate Palestinian leadership: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...
  - petertodd 3y ago
    Hamas has an estimated 30,000 to 40,000 soldiers(1). That's about 6% to 8% of the entire adult Gazan male population. It's impossible to have that many soldiers without widespread support. Maybe not a majority. But certainly a significant minority. Like it or not, a significant percentage of the adult Gazan population are responsible for Hamas because they're actively fighting for Hamas or directly supporting them. Pointing out that those people are accountable, and can choose a different future, is not genocidal language. It's stating the facts of the situation. Germany also faced the same choice after WW2. They chose to eradicate Nazism, which is a big part of why Germany is the successful country it is today. 1) https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/palestine-hamas-military-power https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/palestine-hamas-military-po...
jacquesm 3y ago
> special military operation Sick and tired of whitewashing genocide.
rasz 3y ago
>special military operation Are you confusing Israel with russia? Afaik they declared proper war and are abiding to Geneva convention. Israel formally declares war against Hamas https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/08/israel-hamas-war-gaza/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/08/israel-hamas...

At this point, I think Gaza is pretty much doomed. There won’t be much left at the end of this special military operation.

by _lvbh 3y ago

At this point, I think Gaza is pretty much doomed. There won’t be much left at the end of this special military operation.

asylteltine 3y ago

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User23 3y ago

There will be 25 miles of beautiful Mediterranean coastline for Israeli settlers. At least, that certainly has to have crossed the mind of someone in power.

r00fus 3y ago
Israel has been expanding at the cost of Palestine for decades. This is just the last bit. Killing or displacing the 2.2M Palestinians is what it takes for Israel to finally complete their occupation.
- petertodd 3y ago
  In the West Bank, yes. Not in Gaza, where Israel did the exactly opposite of expanding by deoccupying Gaza in 2005, even kicking out thousands of Israli Jews who were living there.
  - FireBeyond 3y ago
    When Israel "resettles" Jews in Gaza, they do it by giving them a home in Israel. When Israel "resettles" Palestinians in Gaza (interesting concept), they do it by bulldozing the homes they want them out of.
  - r00fus 3y ago
    Followed by continued settlements further reducing Gaza’s size.
  - megous 3y ago
    https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/closing-life-and-death-gaza-s-access-restricted-areas https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/... Yeah, I really feel for Israel after reading this. Always thinking of those poor Gazans to give them more space behind the fence.
bhouston 3y ago
> At least, that certainly has to have crossed the mind of someone in power. 100%: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231009-israel-mk-calls-for-a-second-nakba-in-gaza/ https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231009-israel-mk-calls-f...
- shihab 3y ago
  Here's another one: Israeli think tank lays out a blueprint for the complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza [1].... "The Misgav Institute is headed by former Netanyahu National Security Advisor Meir Ben Shabbat, who remains influential in Israeli security circles. The Institute’s former chairpersons and founding associates include Yoaz Hendel (chair 2012-19), a right-centrist who was Minister of Communications intermittently in the years 2020-22; Moshe Yaalon, former Defense Minister (note that both Hendel and Yaalon have become opposed to Netanyahu in the recent years); Moshe Arens, also former Defense Minister — and other top political personas." [1] https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-think-tank-lays-out-a-blueprint-for-the-complete-ethnic-cleansing-of-gaza/ https://mondoweiss.net/2023/10/israeli-think-tank-lays-out-a...
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    It's horrific that a solution that was never going to work could well end up making Israel the progenitors of another genocide. This is the sort of thing that makes me wonder about whether humanity even stands a chance in the long run.
    - User23 3y ago
      I’m reliably told that diversity is a strength. Why can’t a stronger more diverse Israel work?

petertodd 3y ago

It's estimated that Hamas has between 30,000 and 40,000 soldiers(1), which is about 6% to 8% of Gaza's entire adult male population. There's no way of getting around it: if Israel finishes the job of eradicating Hamas, a large percentage of the Gazan population will be killed or captured, purely because so many of them are actively involved in Hamas. Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they still have a future. In Germany about 5 million German soldiers were killed, almost as many as the 6 million Jews they slaughtered. At the time that was a double digit percentage of the entire male population. But Germany rebuilt and is now a thriving country. 1) https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/palestine-hamas-military-power https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/palestine-hamas-military-po...

bhouston 3y ago
petertodd wrote: > Anyway, if Gazan citizens learn the lessons of their mistakes, they still have a future. That is genocidal language where you are holding civilians accountable. The Gazan population does not favor Hamas according to polling prior to October 7th: https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/1718007927556964511 https://twitter.com/ForeignAffairs/status/171800792755696451... Hamas was also boosted by Netanyahu in part to prevent a two-state solution and diminish moderate Palestinian leadership: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...
- petertodd 3y ago
  Hamas has an estimated 30,000 to 40,000 soldiers(1). That's about 6% to 8% of the entire adult Gazan male population. It's impossible to have that many soldiers without widespread support. Maybe not a majority. But certainly a significant minority. Like it or not, a significant percentage of the adult Gazan population are responsible for Hamas because they're actively fighting for Hamas or directly supporting them. Pointing out that those people are accountable, and can choose a different future, is not genocidal language. It's stating the facts of the situation. Germany also faced the same choice after WW2. They chose to eradicate Nazism, which is a big part of why Germany is the successful country it is today. 1) https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/palestine-hamas-military-power https://www.axios.com/2023/10/21/palestine-hamas-military-po...

jacquesm 3y ago

> special military operation Sick and tired of whitewashing genocide.

rasz 3y ago

>special military operation Are you confusing Israel with russia? Afaik they declared proper war and are abiding to Geneva convention. Israel formally declares war against Hamas https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/08/israel-hamas-war-gaza/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/08/israel-hamas...