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Just bit the bullet and paid for a kagi account 2 days ago. It is nice to have a simple, easily configured, non seo-borked, search engine again. I do worry if i
by daveguy 3y ago
Just bit the bullet and paid for a kagi account 2 days ago. It is nice to have a simple, easily configured, non seo-borked, search engine again. I do worry if it becomes popular seo will start to target it. But at least my incentives align with kagi regarding seo, since I'm paying them rather than the advertisers.
- charcircuit 3y ago>since I'm paying them rather than the advertisers. You don't pay advertisers with Google. Advertisers pay Google. Google is incentivized to give you useful results so that you continue coming back and using them for search. If they gave poor results people would stop bothering to use their search and they would get less ad impressions. By paying a flat rate to kagi there is less incontive to maximize the amount of searches people do over time.
- mog_dev 3y agoI guess they haven't been doing their job very well then as I switched to Kagi.
- chrischen 3y agoBut if they delivered poor results for advertisers then they won’t pay Google. So ultimately you as the non-payer are second in line in terms of interests.
- charcircuit 3y agoGoogle will try and give the most relevant ads and the most relevant search results. Advertisers love relevant ads and relevant ads give users a better ad experience. Google is incentivized to improve the system for both advertisers and users.
- chrischen 3y agoYes but when you have 5 relevant ads, the highest bidder goes to the top. The highest bidder can stay there by charging the customer more of what it has to pay Google to stay at the top. As long as the customer is not vigilant, Google pockets this money. So if you ignorantly believe Google gives better ads then they'd abuse this to just charge advertisers, and thus you, more.
- callalex 3y ago> Google is incentivized to give you useful results so that you continue coming back This is only true if they are not exploiting an unfair market position.
- jakobson14 3y agoGoogle delivers shit results and then pays every browser vendor that isn't themselves for a dominant search position.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> flat rate to kagi there is less incontive to maximize the amount of searches people do over time Aren’t we seeing evidence of this incentive structure spinning in the opposite direction at Google? Shitty results mean more searches leading to more ad impressions.
- benhurmarcel 3y ago> You don't pay advertisers with Google Of course you do. That’s the whole point of ads. Where do you think the money comes from? Ads manipulate you in order to spend more on the advertised products. The consumer ends up paying for them.
- neurostimulant 3y agoHow's the search quality for non-english contents? Is it better than google?
- szatkus 3y agoVisibly worse than searching for English content, but not bad overall. You still get random English results in between, like in DDG, which doesn't happen in Google.
- carlosjobim 3y agoIt is better than Google for non-English content. You can try it for yourself. When people say that Bing or DDG is good enough to use instead of Google, it is obvious to me that they are only searching in English. Kagi was the first search engine that could compete.