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But there's no pricing! How will I know if this could potentially save me money compared to AWS if I cannot make a sensible comparison until I contact sales (or

by Aeolun 3y ago

But there's no pricing! How will I know if this could potentially save me money compared to AWS if I cannot make a sensible comparison until I contact sales (or probably after I contact sales).

twoodfin 3y ago
To be fair, if you’re in the market for a system like this, you’re probably not paying rack rate for AWS or Azure, either.
- quickthrower2 3y ago
  Should be getting reserved instances at least
- Aeolun 3y ago
  Most people that would be able to buy these would not, but that makes it more relevant to know how things compare. If you already get a 50% discount on your on-demand prices for AWS, does buying your own cloud make economical sense?
DoingIsLearning 3y ago
Weird criticism, for anything involving CapEx it will always require an RFQ and quote. You're not buying a bag of peanuts and they will likely price it differently if you're buying 1x or 500x.
- SanderNL 3y ago
  Why though? Quantity based pricing is not hard to express in a table. What is so different about CapEx and a bag of peanuts that defies even providing an approximate range? Number of zeroes, no? I don’t like it, but it is the norm sadly. It’s just a signal for “it’s expensive and if you even care about the number we don’t want to talk with you”.
  - darkwater 3y ago
    > Why though? Quantity based pricing is not hard to express in a table. It is not, but when it's written publicly you cannot send different prices to different customers, depending on who the customer is
- gizmo 3y ago
  In fairness, the blogpost argues that owning is more economical than renting. Everybody knows what cloud compute costs and if this more economical then maybe there should be some price indicator?
  - wmf 3y ago
    Yeah, the price has to be somewhere between a Supermicro rack and an Outpost rack.
scott00 3y ago
If you are genuinely in the market for multiple racks of servers you (a) know how much a rack of hp/dell gear costs, which gets you within an order of magnitude of what this is going to cost, and (b) would not buy one of these without a sales call even if you could.
- Aeolun 3y ago
  I wouldn’t buy these without a sales call, but costing it out to less than an order of magnitude would make it a lot easier to determine economic viability. I just hate calling people to determine if we’re going to match, when they could have given me that information up front.

by Aeolun 3y ago

But there's no pricing! How will I know if this could potentially save me money compared to AWS if I cannot make a sensible comparison until I contact sales (or probably after I contact sales).

twoodfin 3y ago

To be fair, if you’re in the market for a system like this, you’re probably not paying rack rate for AWS or Azure, either.

quickthrower2 3y ago
Should be getting reserved instances at least
Aeolun 3y ago
Most people that would be able to buy these would not, but that makes it more relevant to know how things compare. If you already get a 50% discount on your on-demand prices for AWS, does buying your own cloud make economical sense?

DoingIsLearning 3y ago

Weird criticism, for anything involving CapEx it will always require an RFQ and quote. You're not buying a bag of peanuts and they will likely price it differently if you're buying 1x or 500x.

SanderNL 3y ago
Why though? Quantity based pricing is not hard to express in a table. What is so different about CapEx and a bag of peanuts that defies even providing an approximate range? Number of zeroes, no? I don’t like it, but it is the norm sadly. It’s just a signal for “it’s expensive and if you even care about the number we don’t want to talk with you”.
- darkwater 3y ago
  > Why though? Quantity based pricing is not hard to express in a table. It is not, but when it's written publicly you cannot send different prices to different customers, depending on who the customer is
gizmo 3y ago
In fairness, the blogpost argues that owning is more economical than renting. Everybody knows what cloud compute costs and if this more economical then maybe there should be some price indicator?
- wmf 3y ago
  Yeah, the price has to be somewhere between a Supermicro rack and an Outpost rack.

scott00 3y ago

If you are genuinely in the market for multiple racks of servers you (a) know how much a rack of hp/dell gear costs, which gets you within an order of magnitude of what this is going to cost, and (b) would not buy one of these without a sales call even if you could.

Aeolun 3y ago
I wouldn’t buy these without a sales call, but costing it out to less than an order of magnitude would make it a lot easier to determine economic viability. I just hate calling people to determine if we’re going to match, when they could have given me that information up front.