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I could see how these have benefits in some cases. There are also drawbacks… the uncertainty of who is yielding (except maybe by AI). What about snow and ice? I

by annica 3y ago

I could see how these have benefits in some cases. There are also drawbacks… the uncertainty of who is yielding (except maybe by AI). What about snow and ice? If you do some searching there are plenty of reasons why you might not want roundabouts.

2muchcoffeeman 3y ago
> the uncertainty of who is yielding Same we know red light means stop. You make up a rule. In Australia anyone from the right has right of way.
- annica 3y ago
  It’s not the same though. Red means stop. It is ambiguous as to who must yield precisely because there is no red light to indicate it. What would the rule be? Your best guess as to the speed and distance of the other driver?
  - worthless-trash 3y ago
    There is no ambiguity in practice because these only happen on T intersections. These rules also apply on low / moderate traffic + intersections with no issues mainly because you are expected to pay attention to the road and not just breeze through every intersection like a maniac.
    - annica 3y ago
      There is ambiguity in practice. Accidents do happen in roundabouts and t intersections without anyone driving like “a maniac”. The point is that the article doesn’t really discuss the drawbacks of roundabouts of which there are many.
      - worthless-trash 3y ago
        I was referring to the "give way to the right" theory, not the roundabout theory. Which you also must give way to your right. If humans are involved, of course there are problems, because humans are error prone, the question is if its a problem, which from my limited experience of 30 years of driving is not a significant problem in Australia.
  - 2muchcoffeeman 3y ago
    When you approach a round about you must slow down, check your right, and then proceed. It works the same as a stop or yield sign. In a 2 lane roundabout both lanes should be free before moving into it. I mean, you can't rely on stop lights either. I've seen plenty of people run reds. What do you do then?
crote 3y ago
In most countries traffic already on the roundabout has priority, as is clearly indicated by the presence of yield signs. There is literally zero uncertainty.

by annica 3y ago

2muchcoffeeman 3y ago

> the uncertainty of who is yielding Same we know red light means stop. You make up a rule. In Australia anyone from the right has right of way.

annica 3y ago
It’s not the same though. Red means stop. It is ambiguous as to who must yield precisely because there is no red light to indicate it. What would the rule be? Your best guess as to the speed and distance of the other driver?
- worthless-trash 3y ago
  There is no ambiguity in practice because these only happen on T intersections. These rules also apply on low / moderate traffic + intersections with no issues mainly because you are expected to pay attention to the road and not just breeze through every intersection like a maniac.
  - annica 3y ago
    There is ambiguity in practice. Accidents do happen in roundabouts and t intersections without anyone driving like “a maniac”. The point is that the article doesn’t really discuss the drawbacks of roundabouts of which there are many.
    - worthless-trash 3y ago
      I was referring to the "give way to the right" theory, not the roundabout theory. Which you also must give way to your right. If humans are involved, of course there are problems, because humans are error prone, the question is if its a problem, which from my limited experience of 30 years of driving is not a significant problem in Australia.
- 2muchcoffeeman 3y ago
  When you approach a round about you must slow down, check your right, and then proceed. It works the same as a stop or yield sign. In a 2 lane roundabout both lanes should be free before moving into it. I mean, you can't rely on stop lights either. I've seen plenty of people run reds. What do you do then?

crote 3y ago

In most countries traffic already on the roundabout has priority, as is clearly indicated by the presence of yield signs. There is literally zero uncertainty.