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Why people hate him? Seems like a lot of “media” hates him and that’s what causes people to hate this guy, not the guy itself but the media. He does have some q

Why people hate him? Seems like a lot of “media” hates him and that’s what causes people to hate this guy, not the guy itself but the media. He does have some questionable behaviour for a CEO, but I highly prefer that kind of ceo that talks what he thinks rather than the one that reads from the brochure to make shareholders happy. Positives are far far more outweigh the negatives in this case.

wolverine876 3y ago
If you want to discuss it, let's have a genuine discussion. You know many more and better reasons why people dislike Musk.
mcpackieh 3y ago
Go on reddit and ask them. They'll tell you that Elon Musk aligned himself with republicans aka 'literally nazis'. This outweighs anything positive he could possibly ever do. Any cred he once earned for himself by trying to popularize electric cars? Completely gone, he's a republican so he hates the environment. Building rockets is perceived to be little more than a cynical cover story for his real plan to ruin wetlands and murder ocelots.
- lstodd 3y ago
  So this. On the ocelot question - he will cynically tickle them to death instead. This is about as reasonable discussion as can be had on the topic of Musk. Which is sad.
  - mcpackieh 3y ago
    The ocelot concern is a transparent farce.
elteto 3y ago
Off the top of my head: - He has turned into a pro-Putin, right wing troll, regularly spewing out falsehoods on Twitter/X. - How he has (mis?)managed Twitter so far. - All the lying and broken promises regarding FSD and other shenanigans with Tesla stock (the “taking it private” debacle, the bitcoin pump and dump, etc). - All the COVID conspiracy idiocy and non-sense. I’m sure there’s plenty more I’m forgetting.
- avmich 3y ago
  Right, but does it all outweight the benefits he brought?..
  - Me1000 3y ago
    Your comment is addressed directly by the great-grandparent comment in that 1) It lacks all nuance because your question implies that if a person provides benefits to [whomever] and it's greater than their antics/demons, then you should like them. And that's simply not how the world works. And 2) The comment even said they wouldn't want to live in a world without SpaceX despite his antics. People are complicated and so too are the views individuals hold about other people. It's not a spectrum where people eventually just dismiss extremely concerning things because someone made something cool.
    - avmich 3y ago
      > It's not a spectrum where people eventually just dismiss extremely concerning things because someone made something cool. That's the matter of the question. Elon Musk has some significant achievements which shouldn't be dismissed just because he behaves less than perfect somewhere else.
      - Me1000 3y ago
        I understand you're trying to frame the question like that, but as has been pointed out now TWICE, and I will for a third time, it's a flawed question because you haven't left any room for nuance. OP literally said they want SpaceX to exist and that they don't like Musk. It's a nuanced thought out opinion and your question doesn't allow for that. Specifically because your premise is flawed, that by not liking a man you're somehow dismissing his achievements. That's obviously and clearly not the case here at all.
        elteto 3y ago
        Thank you, that’s exactly my point. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
spicymaki 3y ago
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- ChadNauseam 3y ago
  > His technology encourages single use personal vehicles and does not improve mass transit This doesn't seem like a very serious criticism. 1. If I understand correctly, most climatologists think that humanity should eventually stop contributing carbon into the atmosphere on net. 2. It's unlikely that we'll completely delete all car dependency any time soon. (Will every person living in a rural area have a personal train?) 3. Electric vehicles already contribute less carbon over their lifetimes than gas vehicles do, and can theoretically be made to be completely carbon neutral. So electric vehicles seem helpful to me at mitigating risks from climate change. I also don't see why caring about climate change would cause me to care about endangered turtles in Texas
  - spicymaki 3y ago
    > ... most climatologists think that humanity should eventually stop contributing carbon into the atmosphere on net. Yes, that makes sense. > It's unlikely that we'll completely delete all car dependency any time soon. That is not the goal I am advocating. I would like more transit and less people driving alone in SUVs and living in overly large single family homes. > Will every person living in a rural area have a personal train? No, that would not make any sense. > Electric vehicles already contribute less carbon over their lifetimes than gas Yes, but expanding highways and stroads is not carbon neutral. Heating individual homes is not carbon neutral. Mining lithium is not carbon neutral and pollutes the environment. His ideas around hyper loops and Tesla tunnels under Las Vegas make no sense when we already have trains. > I also don't see why caring about climate change would cause me to care about endangered turtles in Texas Yeah that is my point. There is a link to climate change and habitat destruction. Elon moves to Texas and supports conservatives that do not care about climate change at all. They profess that climate change is not happening at all. Elon recently advocated more natural gas and oil production and drilling. It is all incoherent. I am not saying all of his ideas are bad, but I am saying he does not seem to make coherent sense.
  - 3y ago
cchance 3y ago
He is a trans-phobic (because his daughter came out as LGBTQ and basically told him to screw off because he didn't accept her), he's an antisemitic (see recent X posts and shares), believes in science, but suddenly is anti-vaccinations for no reason, and honestly just seems to be posting things to make the right wing happy lately.
- AYBABTME 3y ago
  Not drinking _all_ of the trans-culture koolaid doesn't make someone trans-phobic. I think he's posting a lot of crap, and probably doesn't have much of a filter and is impulsive at times. Clearly he's got some mental problems that lead him to say and retweet stuff on a whim that he probably doesn't actually believe. I think we can all understand these imperfections. At the end of the day, he's an incredible human being, flaws and all. No one's perfect, and he's cocky and pushy and rude and stuff. But he'll be in history books, and mostly for having done a whole lot of good for humanity, while pissing off a lot of humans.
  - davkan 3y ago
    You’re being overly charitable suggesting he doesn’t believe the things he posts. He has a clear ideological bent and the garbage he posts, antisemitism included, is right in line with it.
    - kortilla 3y ago
      You can tell by the way he posts all of the pro-Hamas memes.
      - tpmx 3y ago
        Where? Didn't find anything when looking for that. (Sarcasm?)
- edgyquant 3y ago
  This is little more than hyper partisan drivel. Get out of your bubble
_hcuq 3y ago
People hate him because he's a d*ck.
imtringued 3y ago
You're talking about the guy suggesting an air cushion inside a vacuum tube. Meanwhile all he built is "Teslas in tunnels" without even demonstrating "full self driving" in this limited environment.
skywhopper 3y ago
If anything, Elon has the media tamed. I see nothing but credulous praise for him in the mainstream media. But the actual words he says, the way he behaves, his constant lying about what his companies’ tech can do, the Cybertruck, the atrocious way he’s handled Twitter, the abusive way he treats his employees, the absolutely bonkers and counterproductive scam that is the Boring Company, and what he has shown himself to be by the type of content he promotes on Twitter, are all good reasons to dislike him.

wolverine876 3y ago

If you want to discuss it, let's have a genuine discussion. You know many more and better reasons why people dislike Musk.

mcpackieh 3y ago

Go on reddit and ask them. They'll tell you that Elon Musk aligned himself with republicans aka 'literally nazis'. This outweighs anything positive he could possibly ever do. Any cred he once earned for himself by trying to popularize electric cars? Completely gone, he's a republican so he hates the environment. Building rockets is perceived to be little more than a cynical cover story for his real plan to ruin wetlands and murder ocelots.

lstodd 3y ago
So this. On the ocelot question - he will cynically tickle them to death instead. This is about as reasonable discussion as can be had on the topic of Musk. Which is sad.
- mcpackieh 3y ago
  The ocelot concern is a transparent farce.

elteto 3y ago

Off the top of my head: - He has turned into a pro-Putin, right wing troll, regularly spewing out falsehoods on Twitter/X. - How he has (mis?)managed Twitter so far. - All the lying and broken promises regarding FSD and other shenanigans with Tesla stock (the “taking it private” debacle, the bitcoin pump and dump, etc). - All the COVID conspiracy idiocy and non-sense. I’m sure there’s plenty more I’m forgetting.

avmich 3y ago
Right, but does it all outweight the benefits he brought?..
- Me1000 3y ago
  Your comment is addressed directly by the great-grandparent comment in that 1) It lacks all nuance because your question implies that if a person provides benefits to [whomever] and it's greater than their antics/demons, then you should like them. And that's simply not how the world works. And 2) The comment even said they wouldn't want to live in a world without SpaceX despite his antics. People are complicated and so too are the views individuals hold about other people. It's not a spectrum where people eventually just dismiss extremely concerning things because someone made something cool.
  - avmich 3y ago
    > It's not a spectrum where people eventually just dismiss extremely concerning things because someone made something cool. That's the matter of the question. Elon Musk has some significant achievements which shouldn't be dismissed just because he behaves less than perfect somewhere else.
    - Me1000 3y ago
      I understand you're trying to frame the question like that, but as has been pointed out now TWICE, and I will for a third time, it's a flawed question because you haven't left any room for nuance. OP literally said they want SpaceX to exist and that they don't like Musk. It's a nuanced thought out opinion and your question doesn't allow for that. Specifically because your premise is flawed, that by not liking a man you're somehow dismissing his achievements. That's obviously and clearly not the case here at all.
      - elteto 3y ago
        Thank you, that’s exactly my point. I couldn’t have said it better myself.

spicymaki 3y ago

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ChadNauseam 3y ago
> His technology encourages single use personal vehicles and does not improve mass transit This doesn't seem like a very serious criticism. 1. If I understand correctly, most climatologists think that humanity should eventually stop contributing carbon into the atmosphere on net. 2. It's unlikely that we'll completely delete all car dependency any time soon. (Will every person living in a rural area have a personal train?) 3. Electric vehicles already contribute less carbon over their lifetimes than gas vehicles do, and can theoretically be made to be completely carbon neutral. So electric vehicles seem helpful to me at mitigating risks from climate change. I also don't see why caring about climate change would cause me to care about endangered turtles in Texas
- spicymaki 3y ago
  > ... most climatologists think that humanity should eventually stop contributing carbon into the atmosphere on net. Yes, that makes sense. > It's unlikely that we'll completely delete all car dependency any time soon. That is not the goal I am advocating. I would like more transit and less people driving alone in SUVs and living in overly large single family homes. > Will every person living in a rural area have a personal train? No, that would not make any sense. > Electric vehicles already contribute less carbon over their lifetimes than gas Yes, but expanding highways and stroads is not carbon neutral. Heating individual homes is not carbon neutral. Mining lithium is not carbon neutral and pollutes the environment. His ideas around hyper loops and Tesla tunnels under Las Vegas make no sense when we already have trains. > I also don't see why caring about climate change would cause me to care about endangered turtles in Texas Yeah that is my point. There is a link to climate change and habitat destruction. Elon moves to Texas and supports conservatives that do not care about climate change at all. They profess that climate change is not happening at all. Elon recently advocated more natural gas and oil production and drilling. It is all incoherent. I am not saying all of his ideas are bad, but I am saying he does not seem to make coherent sense.
- 3y ago

cchance 3y ago

He is a trans-phobic (because his daughter came out as LGBTQ and basically told him to screw off because he didn't accept her), he's an antisemitic (see recent X posts and shares), believes in science, but suddenly is anti-vaccinations for no reason, and honestly just seems to be posting things to make the right wing happy lately.

AYBABTME 3y ago
Not drinking _all_ of the trans-culture koolaid doesn't make someone trans-phobic. I think he's posting a lot of crap, and probably doesn't have much of a filter and is impulsive at times. Clearly he's got some mental problems that lead him to say and retweet stuff on a whim that he probably doesn't actually believe. I think we can all understand these imperfections. At the end of the day, he's an incredible human being, flaws and all. No one's perfect, and he's cocky and pushy and rude and stuff. But he'll be in history books, and mostly for having done a whole lot of good for humanity, while pissing off a lot of humans.
- davkan 3y ago
  You’re being overly charitable suggesting he doesn’t believe the things he posts. He has a clear ideological bent and the garbage he posts, antisemitism included, is right in line with it.
  - kortilla 3y ago
    You can tell by the way he posts all of the pro-Hamas memes.
    - tpmx 3y ago
      Where? Didn't find anything when looking for that. (Sarcasm?)
edgyquant 3y ago
This is little more than hyper partisan drivel. Get out of your bubble

_hcuq 3y ago

People hate him because he's a d*ck.

imtringued 3y ago

You're talking about the guy suggesting an air cushion inside a vacuum tube. Meanwhile all he built is "Teslas in tunnels" without even demonstrating "full self driving" in this limited environment.

skywhopper 3y ago

If anything, Elon has the media tamed. I see nothing but credulous praise for him in the mainstream media. But the actual words he says, the way he behaves, his constant lying about what his companies’ tech can do, the Cybertruck, the atrocious way he’s handled Twitter, the abusive way he treats his employees, the absolutely bonkers and counterproductive scam that is the Boring Company, and what he has shown himself to be by the type of content he promotes on Twitter, are all good reasons to dislike him.