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Also Polish, my pet peeve is having to write my latinised name into forms that specifically say "please enter your name EXACTLY like in your passport".

xxs 3y ago
Polish still use Roman alphabet for the most part, compare that to Greeks or Bulgarians.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  "for the most part" -> except for ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ź and ż.
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    What do you mean by "except"? Other than maybe ł, those all look like they're mostly Roman letters to me. Half of them add the same single line that isn't even attached to the rest of the letter! That's a world apart from φ and Д.
    - xxs 3y ago
      "ł" is the lower case of "Ł". It's not pronounced L, though. Writing-wise, it is there. Else, the Italians, French and the like don't appear to be using Roman, either.
    - jacquesm 3y ago
      Mostly doesn't matter though, they sound entirely different compared to the letters without those changes. And you can't just replace them either, lots of words would suddenly have multiple meanings when written.
- dontlaugh 3y ago
  Anecdotally, it's slightly easier for Greeks and Bulgarians/Russians/etc. than for those of us whose languages use the latin alphabet with diacritics. The transliteration is generally standardised and English speakers tend to avoid even trying to use the other alphabet.
  - untech 3y ago
    > Internationalisation is hard, like for Пётр Ильич Чайковский (Tchaikovsky) and his 31 different names on MusicBrainz. https://dustri.org/b/horrible-edge-cases-to-consider-when-dealing-with-music.html https://dustri.org/b/horrible-edge-cases-to-consider-when-de... Also from Wikipedia: Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky (note: Often anglicized as Peter Ilich Tchaikovsky; also standardized by the Library of Congress. His names are also transliterated as Piotr or Petr; Ilitsch or Il'ich; and Tschaikowski, Tschaikowsky, Chajkovskij, or Chaikovsky. He used to sign his name/was known as P. Tschaïkowsky/Pierre Tschaïkowsky in French (as in his afore-reproduced signature), and Peter Tschaikowsky in German, spellings also displayed on several of his scores' title pages in their first printed editions alongside or in place of his native name. The modern transliterations of Russian produce the following results for 'Пётр Ильич Чайковский' — ISO 9: Pëtr Ilʹič Čajkovskij, ALA-LC: Pëtr Ilʹich Chaĭkovskiĭ, BGN/PCGN: Pëtr Il'ich Chaykovskiy.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky
    - dontlaugh 3y ago
      It is far worse for historical names, I agree. I’m told today the transliterations are standardised enough that it doesn’t happen much. Greek and Russian friends describe less mangling of their names than I get.
      - untech 3y ago
        Well, my Cyrillic full name has only two realistic transliterations, but I have friends who have it much worse. Especially people who has a Cyrillic Ë somewhere in their name, because it could be spelled without the diacritic in Cyrillic itself, leading to different transliterations. Luckily I live in Armenia now, which not only has its own alphabet, but also has a tradition of armenising Slavic patronyms! (Which is fair, I guess, as Armenian patronyms are commonly russified in Slavic countries.) Anyway, the transliteration of Cyrillic at least is not really standardised in my experience. It used to be worse, with Polish, French and English styles, now it settled on English, but there are a still several sticking points which cause combinatoric explosion of variants. Not to mention that my perspective is centered on Russian, and there is a different standard of transliteration for Ukrainian at least (Kyiv and Kiev are Levenshtein 2 apart in Latin, but Levenshtein 1 apart in Cyrillic), and there is a ton of other Cyrillic languages.
PeterisP 3y ago
My pet peeve is online payment forms which ask to 'enter your name exactly as it is on the card' but require ASCII-only in that field - my name as embossed on the card has non-ASCII accented characters.
- gdprrrr 3y ago
  We need a falsehoods programmers believe about credit cards.

xxs 3y ago

Polish still use Roman alphabet for the most part, compare that to Greeks or Bulgarians.

jacquesm 3y ago
"for the most part" -> except for ą, ć, ę, ł, ń, ó, ś, ź and ż.
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  What do you mean by "except"? Other than maybe ł, those all look like they're mostly Roman letters to me. Half of them add the same single line that isn't even attached to the rest of the letter! That's a world apart from φ and Д.
  - xxs 3y ago
    "ł" is the lower case of "Ł". It's not pronounced L, though. Writing-wise, it is there. Else, the Italians, French and the like don't appear to be using Roman, either.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    Mostly doesn't matter though, they sound entirely different compared to the letters without those changes. And you can't just replace them either, lots of words would suddenly have multiple meanings when written.
dontlaugh 3y ago
Anecdotally, it's slightly easier for Greeks and Bulgarians/Russians/etc. than for those of us whose languages use the latin alphabet with diacritics. The transliteration is generally standardised and English speakers tend to avoid even trying to use the other alphabet.
- untech 3y ago
  > Internationalisation is hard, like for Пётр Ильич Чайковский (Tchaikovsky) and his 31 different names on MusicBrainz. https://dustri.org/b/horrible-edge-cases-to-consider-when-dealing-with-music.html https://dustri.org/b/horrible-edge-cases-to-consider-when-de... Also from Wikipedia: Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky (note: Often anglicized as Peter Ilich Tchaikovsky; also standardized by the Library of Congress. His names are also transliterated as Piotr or Petr; Ilitsch or Il'ich; and Tschaikowski, Tschaikowsky, Chajkovskij, or Chaikovsky. He used to sign his name/was known as P. Tschaïkowsky/Pierre Tschaïkowsky in French (as in his afore-reproduced signature), and Peter Tschaikowsky in German, spellings also displayed on several of his scores' title pages in their first printed editions alongside or in place of his native name. The modern transliterations of Russian produce the following results for 'Пётр Ильич Чайковский' — ISO 9: Pëtr Ilʹič Čajkovskij, ALA-LC: Pëtr Ilʹich Chaĭkovskiĭ, BGN/PCGN: Pëtr Il'ich Chaykovskiy.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ilyich_Tchaikovsky
  - dontlaugh 3y ago
    It is far worse for historical names, I agree. I’m told today the transliterations are standardised enough that it doesn’t happen much. Greek and Russian friends describe less mangling of their names than I get.
    - untech 3y ago
      Well, my Cyrillic full name has only two realistic transliterations, but I have friends who have it much worse. Especially people who has a Cyrillic Ë somewhere in their name, because it could be spelled without the diacritic in Cyrillic itself, leading to different transliterations. Luckily I live in Armenia now, which not only has its own alphabet, but also has a tradition of armenising Slavic patronyms! (Which is fair, I guess, as Armenian patronyms are commonly russified in Slavic countries.) Anyway, the transliteration of Cyrillic at least is not really standardised in my experience. It used to be worse, with Polish, French and English styles, now it settled on English, but there are a still several sticking points which cause combinatoric explosion of variants. Not to mention that my perspective is centered on Russian, and there is a different standard of transliteration for Ukrainian at least (Kyiv and Kiev are Levenshtein 2 apart in Latin, but Levenshtein 1 apart in Cyrillic), and there is a ton of other Cyrillic languages.

PeterisP 3y ago

My pet peeve is online payment forms which ask to 'enter your name exactly as it is on the card' but require ASCII-only in that field - my name as embossed on the card has non-ASCII accented characters.

gdprrrr 3y ago
We need a falsehoods programmers believe about credit cards.