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The single responsible for this is an executive called Mikhail Parakhin. I was in his org for a while and this kind of shit (ads on windows, forced news pushes,

The single responsible for this is an executive called Mikhail Parakhin. I was in his org for a while and this kind of shit (ads on windows, forced news pushes, etc) were par for the course in his strategy. He got promoted twice in the last two years due to this crapware actually generating money for the Ads group. I know everybody is in love with Microsoft these days because of Open AI but the dark side of Microsoft is still there. And Satya is rewarding it.

Dalewyn 3y ago
>And Satya is rewarding it. Where Ballmer was DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS, Nadella is DATA DATA DATA. I miss Ballmer.
- captainpicktart 3y ago
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- addicted 3y ago
  lol if you think Ballmer wouldn’t be eating up your data right now as well. Also, arguably, the biggest part of MS’s success under Nadella has been the massively improved dev experience, with the open sourcing of C#/.Net, Powershell, the promotion of Thpescript and VS Code, to name a few larger Dev focused efforts. The MS dev story under Ballmer was dire. Despite C# being a tremendous language and .Net being an excellent framework, Windows’s supremacy under Ballmer’s MS meant it was never allowed to go beyond Windows, and IIS, which meant both the language and framework fared extremely poorly largely due to the underlying Windows Server and IIS dependencies.
menacingly 3y ago
My natural reaction to the various Edge tactics is embarrassment that I've been something of an evangelist for MS seemingly making some smart moves
- upupupandaway 3y ago
  Edge and Bing and Ads are all under the same group, hence same tactics.
  - chii 3y ago
    If they're actually smart, they would've tried to cash in on the recent youtube adblocking issues, and invest in making edge able to block youtube ads properly. If they did, i bet their usage statistics would grow in some substantial amount. Obviously, this could open a can of worms, since they'd then be open to being sued by google...
    - mumblemumble 3y ago
      I know it's hard to believe sometimes, but I don't think "get keelhauled by the FTC again" is part of their 5-year business plan.
      - Nextgrid 3y ago
        What does the FTC have to do with this? Did the FTC ever have any issue with antimalware software blocking malware or email providers blocking spam?
      - tehbeard 3y ago
        With how they slipped back into making it more difficult to exorcise Edge from being opened for various links and file types... I think "FTC fine" might just be a line item on the business expenses....
- justinclift 3y ago
  Heh Heh Heh Does that mean you're starting to believe what the naysayers have been saying for years? ;)
- pmontra 3y ago
  I never trusted Microsoft once in my life, and I'm older than them, but I can't deny that they made many smart moves in the last years: proof is that they got a lot of good feelings among developers. They are starting to look bad again. I can't say that I'm happy about that but at least it confirms the soundness of my position.
29athrowaway 3y ago
He has done more for desktop Linux than anyone else ever. Keep ruining Windows, buddy. You are doing great.
- upupupandaway 3y ago
  Edit: understood now. :)
scubbo 3y ago
> I know everybody is in love with Microsoft these days because of Open AI The cognitive dissonance this provoked in me is astounding. The only people I've seen praising anything AI-related at the same kinds of people who were boosting cryptocurrency and NFTs. Are there really thoughtful, mature people who think that Open AI is in any way positive? EDIT: The most pro-Microsoft opinions I've seen have mostly been related to VS Code. Personally I don't get it - it's basically functionality-equivalent to IntelliJ, with maybe _slightly_ nicer visuals - but, sure, it works well enough, I guess!
- upupupandaway 3y ago
  The stock market is happy with Microsoft and its relationship with Open AI. That is what I meant, mostly.
  - scubbo 3y ago
    Ah! An _entirely_ different claim than what I previously interpreted :) thanks for explaining
- omegabravo 3y ago
  it's cheaper than IntelliJ, and is more resource efficient believe it or not
  - 29athrowaway 3y ago
    Not cheaper. IntelliJ truly pays itself over a very brief period of time. Let's say a license is worth about k hours of development time per year. Over the course of 1 year, IntelliJ will save you much more than k hours of development time. On the other hand, you have VS Code, which needs over k hours to configure in order to get a fraction of what you can achieve with IntelliJ. You paid the same money in a different way and obtained less benefits.
    - mardifoufs 3y ago
      It takes 2mins, once, to install the required extension for your language and then you get to have remote dev and multi lang dev capabilities that you can't get on jetbrains no matter what. It also improves much faster than any jetbrains ide did in my experience. Just the terminal is so much better now on vscode, and hasn't changed at all on jetbrains (and it's not because it is already perfect either.) I'm sure it's better for java though, haven't tried that.
upupupandaway 3y ago
And one thing that won’t harmonize with my world view is that this executive is actually a very capable engineer, extremely smart, but instead of using that knowledge for good (as I believe all true engineers would), no, “let’s push adware onto Windows unchecked”. Frustrating.
- ahefner 3y ago
  What if, like so many capable engineers, he deep down loathes Windows and wishes to do it harm?
  - Lord-Jobo 3y ago
    This is some real Emperor Palpatine levels of "destroy it from within" and it's a very funny conspiracy theory.
- Afforess 3y ago
  Someone who desires undesirable things is never “smart.” Thinking so is how groupthink works.
  - 2-718-281-828 3y ago
    he isn't smart for successfully delivering what his boss wants receiving his desired promotion and fortune? you might want to reassess your definitions.
  - waveBidder 3y ago
    being an amoral bastard is orthogonal to your intelligence…
    - ipython 3y ago
      Exactly. See for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.
  - t-writescode 3y ago
thefz 3y ago
While I hate all the telemetry and behind the scenes crap going on in Windows (that can't be disabled), you are still free to use whatever browser you prefer. It's a minor annoyance, and happens just once. Again, not defending this practice, but this browser thing is superficial.
- upupupandaway 3y ago
  My problem with this browser thing is that it's part of a more insidious campaign to normalize this sort of dark pattern + intrusive nudging. If users don't speak app soon Windows will turn into an ad-infested user abusefest. And if it makes to Windows, and survives, pretty much everybody else will follow.
  - badpenny 3y ago
    > If users don't speak app soon Windows will turn into an ad-infested user abusefest. It already has.
- crtasm 3y ago
  > happens just once. If only that were true, the dark pattern pushing Edge onto users when a Windows feature update installs got my father and I'm sure many others.
acuozzo 3y ago
Thank you for naming names. Seriously, thank you. I'm sick of shit-people being shielded by the name(s) of the institution(s) they haunt.
MrMember 3y ago
It's crazy to me that so many of my gripes about Windows can be traced back to one person. He's going to single handedly drive me away from the OS.
ThrowawayExYa 3y ago
In the period between working on Bing and his new venture, he spent 5 years as the CTO at the Russian search engine "Yandex," stepping in for the late co-founder Ilya Segalovich who passed away because of cancer. There are many anecdotes circulating about Parakhin at Yandex. One of them goes like this: on his first day of work, he was asked to choose a handle for his corporate email. He was surprised that such a choice was available, as he was used to Microsoft, where addresses were assigned based on names and surnames. He asked if he could seriously pick any handle. Upon receiving a positive response, he didn't believe it and asked if he could use the address imperator@yandex-team.ru, which means "emperor" in transliterated Russian. There's actually proof of this: https://github.com/yandex/fastops/blob/master/AUTHORS https://github.com/yandex/fastops/blob/master/AUTHORS
- upupupandaway 3y ago
  That explains a lot.

Dalewyn 3y ago

>And Satya is rewarding it. Where Ballmer was DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS, Nadella is DATA DATA DATA. I miss Ballmer.

captainpicktart 3y ago
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addicted 3y ago
lol if you think Ballmer wouldn’t be eating up your data right now as well. Also, arguably, the biggest part of MS’s success under Nadella has been the massively improved dev experience, with the open sourcing of C#/.Net, Powershell, the promotion of Thpescript and VS Code, to name a few larger Dev focused efforts. The MS dev story under Ballmer was dire. Despite C# being a tremendous language and .Net being an excellent framework, Windows’s supremacy under Ballmer’s MS meant it was never allowed to go beyond Windows, and IIS, which meant both the language and framework fared extremely poorly largely due to the underlying Windows Server and IIS dependencies.

menacingly 3y ago

My natural reaction to the various Edge tactics is embarrassment that I've been something of an evangelist for MS seemingly making some smart moves

upupupandaway 3y ago
Edge and Bing and Ads are all under the same group, hence same tactics.
- chii 3y ago
  If they're actually smart, they would've tried to cash in on the recent youtube adblocking issues, and invest in making edge able to block youtube ads properly. If they did, i bet their usage statistics would grow in some substantial amount. Obviously, this could open a can of worms, since they'd then be open to being sued by google...
  - mumblemumble 3y ago
    I know it's hard to believe sometimes, but I don't think "get keelhauled by the FTC again" is part of their 5-year business plan.
    - Nextgrid 3y ago
      What does the FTC have to do with this? Did the FTC ever have any issue with antimalware software blocking malware or email providers blocking spam?
    - tehbeard 3y ago
      With how they slipped back into making it more difficult to exorcise Edge from being opened for various links and file types... I think "FTC fine" might just be a line item on the business expenses....
justinclift 3y ago
Heh Heh Heh Does that mean you're starting to believe what the naysayers have been saying for years? ;)
pmontra 3y ago
I never trusted Microsoft once in my life, and I'm older than them, but I can't deny that they made many smart moves in the last years: proof is that they got a lot of good feelings among developers. They are starting to look bad again. I can't say that I'm happy about that but at least it confirms the soundness of my position.

29athrowaway 3y ago

He has done more for desktop Linux than anyone else ever. Keep ruining Windows, buddy. You are doing great.

upupupandaway 3y ago
Edit: understood now. :)

scubbo 3y ago

> I know everybody is in love with Microsoft these days because of Open AI The cognitive dissonance this provoked in me is astounding. The only people I've seen praising anything AI-related at the same kinds of people who were boosting cryptocurrency and NFTs. Are there really thoughtful, mature people who think that Open AI is in any way positive? EDIT: The most pro-Microsoft opinions I've seen have mostly been related to VS Code. Personally I don't get it - it's basically functionality-equivalent to IntelliJ, with maybe _slightly_ nicer visuals - but, sure, it works well enough, I guess!

upupupandaway 3y ago
The stock market is happy with Microsoft and its relationship with Open AI. That is what I meant, mostly.
- scubbo 3y ago
  Ah! An _entirely_ different claim than what I previously interpreted :) thanks for explaining
omegabravo 3y ago
it's cheaper than IntelliJ, and is more resource efficient believe it or not
- 29athrowaway 3y ago
  Not cheaper. IntelliJ truly pays itself over a very brief period of time. Let's say a license is worth about k hours of development time per year. Over the course of 1 year, IntelliJ will save you much more than k hours of development time. On the other hand, you have VS Code, which needs over k hours to configure in order to get a fraction of what you can achieve with IntelliJ. You paid the same money in a different way and obtained less benefits.
  - mardifoufs 3y ago
    It takes 2mins, once, to install the required extension for your language and then you get to have remote dev and multi lang dev capabilities that you can't get on jetbrains no matter what. It also improves much faster than any jetbrains ide did in my experience. Just the terminal is so much better now on vscode, and hasn't changed at all on jetbrains (and it's not because it is already perfect either.) I'm sure it's better for java though, haven't tried that.

upupupandaway 3y ago

And one thing that won’t harmonize with my world view is that this executive is actually a very capable engineer, extremely smart, but instead of using that knowledge for good (as I believe all true engineers would), no, “let’s push adware onto Windows unchecked”. Frustrating.

ahefner 3y ago
What if, like so many capable engineers, he deep down loathes Windows and wishes to do it harm?
- Lord-Jobo 3y ago
  This is some real Emperor Palpatine levels of "destroy it from within" and it's a very funny conspiracy theory.
Afforess 3y ago
Someone who desires undesirable things is never “smart.” Thinking so is how groupthink works.
- 2-718-281-828 3y ago
  he isn't smart for successfully delivering what his boss wants receiving his desired promotion and fortune? you might want to reassess your definitions.
- waveBidder 3y ago
  being an amoral bastard is orthogonal to your intelligence…
  - ipython 3y ago
    Exactly. See for example https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.
- t-writescode 3y ago

thefz 3y ago

While I hate all the telemetry and behind the scenes crap going on in Windows (that can't be disabled), you are still free to use whatever browser you prefer. It's a minor annoyance, and happens just once. Again, not defending this practice, but this browser thing is superficial.

upupupandaway 3y ago
My problem with this browser thing is that it's part of a more insidious campaign to normalize this sort of dark pattern + intrusive nudging. If users don't speak app soon Windows will turn into an ad-infested user abusefest. And if it makes to Windows, and survives, pretty much everybody else will follow.
- badpenny 3y ago
  > If users don't speak app soon Windows will turn into an ad-infested user abusefest. It already has.
crtasm 3y ago
> happens just once. If only that were true, the dark pattern pushing Edge onto users when a Windows feature update installs got my father and I'm sure many others.

acuozzo 3y ago

Thank you for naming names. Seriously, thank you. I'm sick of shit-people being shielded by the name(s) of the institution(s) they haunt.

MrMember 3y ago

It's crazy to me that so many of my gripes about Windows can be traced back to one person. He's going to single handedly drive me away from the OS.

ThrowawayExYa 3y ago

In the period between working on Bing and his new venture, he spent 5 years as the CTO at the Russian search engine "Yandex," stepping in for the late co-founder Ilya Segalovich who passed away because of cancer. There are many anecdotes circulating about Parakhin at Yandex. One of them goes like this: on his first day of work, he was asked to choose a handle for his corporate email. He was surprised that such a choice was available, as he was used to Microsoft, where addresses were assigned based on names and surnames. He asked if he could seriously pick any handle. Upon receiving a positive response, he didn't believe it and asked if he could use the address imperator@yandex-team.ru, which means "emperor" in transliterated Russian. There's actually proof of this: https://github.com/yandex/fastops/blob/master/AUTHORS https://github.com/yandex/fastops/blob/master/AUTHORS

upupupandaway 3y ago
That explains a lot.