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Why do people care so much about...I don't know if there's a word for this...I wanna say serial integrity as in integrity of the series? If I like a general pre

Why do people care so much about...I don't know if there's a word for this...I wanna say serial integrity as in integrity of the series? If I like a general premise and cast I have zero issue with them doing dogshit if they're having fun and it simply produces more content on a quantitative basis that can add to the binge rewatching duration value? Maybe I'm just weird like that.

syndicatedjelly 3y ago
You sound like the advertising industry’s ideal consumer.
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  All I care about is hanging out with "my friends" more, I guess I develop enough of an emotionally-compelling connection with shows/works + the characters/actors I like that I kinda never want it to end and its moot to consider the welfare of the characters or overall quality because its all abstract or academic anyway and I derive such sustained benefit or enjoyment from it continuing in perpetuity. Nothings getting solved or done or any progression truly achieved anyway so who gives a fuck? Film critics be damned, if Im happier and my mental health is better and I enjoy mysef on account of this, I really could care less about critical acclaim. Its the actors' job(s) to worry about consequences like typecasting or regret or whatever
  - throw_pm23 3y ago
    You seem to be saying that you are a "non-discerning customer" when it comes to this type of work, and that's fine if it works for you. Others find works produced only for money to be lower quality or heartless. Maybe you similarly care about stuff in some other aspect of life (food? clothing? music? personal relationships?), just not for movies/comics.
    - Obscurity4340 3y ago
      I would argue that your discernment angle is literally just that in a similar sense with how critical theory folks approach works from various sociological and literary angles to the extent you could say those are component to the same work rather than ever possibly definitive or representative, much less appraisable objectively as implicitly superior. Like dividing by zero. Its not answerable and also discernment seemingly is axiomatic to the point its basically no different from religion or palate/taste.
      - syndicatedjelly 3y ago
        Random question, did you do policy debate in high school and/or college?
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        Nah, should I have? Also relevant username ;)
        syndicatedjelly 3y ago
        The last time I heard someone argue like you, was as the recipient of a negative case in a policy debate round 14 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_policy_debate_terms#Kritik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_policy_debate_term...
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
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        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        > This section does not cite any sources. (October 2020) Is there an actual article with more substance illustrating what you mean or what this section (#Kritik) was derived from? Also, I'm having a little bit of difficulty in parsing out your overall position with respect to what I've said (do feel I'm doing a bad job of it or what do you mean, exactly?) I definitely was using that (critical theory) as more of an example and only briefly analogizing rather than me trying to seriously argue from that vantage point specifically. Edit: are you saying "heard" as in you were there, or you know the details of the case through reading or maybe both? Whatever the case, is there an actual source available?
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  Ackshually, I've further insulated myself from the advertising industry's influence or ROI far more than you could ever know and likely replicate personally. This is just so glib and lovechild-of-terse-and-misguided on so many levels I can't even get to the bottom of the pile. Lets just disagree to agree on this. Edit: Also you stay away from my miniature son and never come back ;)
  - Obscurity4340 3y ago
    Also, I feel like people who in some sense watch the same materials on repeat to varying extents are—dunno, maybe less valuable to ads than someone who's constantly perusing new shows (diversifying their ad profile). Its intuitive but im not certain i can logically defend it sufficiently robustly. "You know wat I mean"
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fullshark 3y ago
I tried to vibe with this POV. What's wrong with more content? But it really does cheapen the art/media you used to adore. Even if you try to ignore it, i.e. you don't have to watch / read all the Star Trek content that has been produced in the last 20 years, and after picard season 1 I completely checked out of all of it, but it just kind of makes everything you loved seem so empty. It was all about generating positive cash flows...the whole time.
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  See my "all i care about" comment
- to11mtm 3y ago
  I feel a lot of this. Parts of Discovery are good, more-so if you look at it from a 'home team' perspective where you'll take any win. OTOH It's only re-watchable to a certain point. Lower Decks, I do like as far as escapism goes but frankly has a lot of 'Yeah this is licensed parody' moments. Sometimes, things should end. Sometimes they end too soon (Farscape comes to mind [0], thankfully it did get a finale at least,) but when you keep adding on 'the additional adventures of' the risk of winding up in some form of everyplot, or just breaking canon, gets wayyyyy tooo damn high. As a counterpoint to that, Picard Season 3 is incredibly watchable, (even RLM thought so,) I hope you try it if you haven't. It somehow does a pretty dang good job with things. [0] - It really is a benchmark for a lot of sci-fi despite the fourth wall tapping.
  - Obscurity4340 3y ago
    I feel like you're so close to getting to the point of realization that this fixation on duration and quality is ultimately arbitrary and, in my view, harmful. How else do you explain reboots besides the money part? There's clearly demand for it since people like what they know and their millions+-strong population must in some sense agree with me
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  I appreciate you succinctly boiling down what I am trying to address here. I obviously disagree with this position strenuously but in my own way and for the purpose of really "putting a name" to that which I am advocating against, you have done both sides a great service.
MrRolleyes 3y ago
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bee_rider 3y ago
I mean, it is fiction, so of course you can just pick and choose what you engage with. But, it is pretty common to leave hints of backstory and future stuff. It is nice because you can fill in the blanks. “Happily ever after” can be as nice as you imagine. Or the author goes off the deep end and starts getting better known for political rants. Subsequently it may be hard to enjoy their older works as you are looking for signs of what will develop…
Miraste 3y ago
I hate this opinion, but even accepting it at face value, it doesn't apply to comic strips. A TV show is a mishmash of dozens of visions from the start, so it's easy to let the Ship of Theseus continue on with new writers or sequels or spinoffs. An author-drawn comic is the work of one person. It doesn't have a cast, it's just them. Letting corporate greed machines get it removes the whole appeal by default.
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  How would it not apply even moreso to comic strips? Comic strips are even less accounted for in terms of the general body or oeuvre of that series. Like who can name every single comic strip "episode" relative to who can do so for its syndicated or movie counterpart(s) and also does it even have `seasons`?
  - 1123581321 3y ago
    Calvin & Hobbes fans know the published strips very well.
    - Obscurity4340 3y ago
      ALL of them, seriously? Never missed one or went on vacation and the paper got thrown out (assuming that was the predominant medium)? Can all of you populate a spreadsheet by heart and argue in good faith with due accuracy as to each one out of the likely 1,000s? Sorry but I doubt that. But even so, it still doesn't lend itself to your point. You're saying 1,000s are perfection but + one new strip would immediately or at least in some historically-tainting way destroy everything? Is everything really that fragile? Edit: 2 0s
      - Izkata 3y ago
        There are about 3150 Calvin and Hobbes strips. For comparison, there are about 900 Star Trek episodes (including the animated ones). I don't find it hard to believe someone can know all of them, because I am one of those people for Star Trek, and comic strips are so much shorter. I couldn't populate a spreadsheet from scratch, but name an episode and reference the plot somehow, I'm fairly sure I'll remember it and be able to fill in some details without looking it up. > Never missed one or went on vacation and the paper got thrown out (assuming that was the predominant medium)? Also they're all available at https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/ https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/ - I read through the whole thing a few years ago.

syndicatedjelly 3y ago

You sound like the advertising industry’s ideal consumer.

Obscurity4340 3y ago
All I care about is hanging out with "my friends" more, I guess I develop enough of an emotionally-compelling connection with shows/works + the characters/actors I like that I kinda never want it to end and its moot to consider the welfare of the characters or overall quality because its all abstract or academic anyway and I derive such sustained benefit or enjoyment from it continuing in perpetuity. Nothings getting solved or done or any progression truly achieved anyway so who gives a fuck? Film critics be damned, if Im happier and my mental health is better and I enjoy mysef on account of this, I really could care less about critical acclaim. Its the actors' job(s) to worry about consequences like typecasting or regret or whatever
- throw_pm23 3y ago
  You seem to be saying that you are a "non-discerning customer" when it comes to this type of work, and that's fine if it works for you. Others find works produced only for money to be lower quality or heartless. Maybe you similarly care about stuff in some other aspect of life (food? clothing? music? personal relationships?), just not for movies/comics.
  - Obscurity4340 3y ago
    I would argue that your discernment angle is literally just that in a similar sense with how critical theory folks approach works from various sociological and literary angles to the extent you could say those are component to the same work rather than ever possibly definitive or representative, much less appraisable objectively as implicitly superior. Like dividing by zero. Its not answerable and also discernment seemingly is axiomatic to the point its basically no different from religion or palate/taste.
    - syndicatedjelly 3y ago
      Random question, did you do policy debate in high school and/or college?
      - Obscurity4340 3y ago
        Nah, should I have? Also relevant username ;)
        syndicatedjelly 3y ago
        The last time I heard someone argue like you, was as the recipient of a negative case in a policy debate round 14 years ago. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_policy_debate_terms#Kritik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_policy_debate_term...
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        []
        Obscurity4340 3y ago
        > This section does not cite any sources. (October 2020) Is there an actual article with more substance illustrating what you mean or what this section (#Kritik) was derived from? Also, I'm having a little bit of difficulty in parsing out your overall position with respect to what I've said (do feel I'm doing a bad job of it or what do you mean, exactly?) I definitely was using that (critical theory) as more of an example and only briefly analogizing rather than me trying to seriously argue from that vantage point specifically. Edit: are you saying "heard" as in you were there, or you know the details of the case through reading or maybe both? Whatever the case, is there an actual source available?
Obscurity4340 3y ago
Ackshually, I've further insulated myself from the advertising industry's influence or ROI far more than you could ever know and likely replicate personally. This is just so glib and lovechild-of-terse-and-misguided on so many levels I can't even get to the bottom of the pile. Lets just disagree to agree on this. Edit: Also you stay away from my miniature son and never come back ;)
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  Also, I feel like people who in some sense watch the same materials on repeat to varying extents are—dunno, maybe less valuable to ads than someone who's constantly perusing new shows (diversifying their ad profile). Its intuitive but im not certain i can logically defend it sufficiently robustly. "You know wat I mean"

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fullshark 3y ago

I tried to vibe with this POV. What's wrong with more content? But it really does cheapen the art/media you used to adore. Even if you try to ignore it, i.e. you don't have to watch / read all the Star Trek content that has been produced in the last 20 years, and after picard season 1 I completely checked out of all of it, but it just kind of makes everything you loved seem so empty. It was all about generating positive cash flows...the whole time.

Obscurity4340 3y ago
See my "all i care about" comment
to11mtm 3y ago
I feel a lot of this. Parts of Discovery are good, more-so if you look at it from a 'home team' perspective where you'll take any win. OTOH It's only re-watchable to a certain point. Lower Decks, I do like as far as escapism goes but frankly has a lot of 'Yeah this is licensed parody' moments. Sometimes, things should end. Sometimes they end too soon (Farscape comes to mind [0], thankfully it did get a finale at least,) but when you keep adding on 'the additional adventures of' the risk of winding up in some form of everyplot, or just breaking canon, gets wayyyyy tooo damn high. As a counterpoint to that, Picard Season 3 is incredibly watchable, (even RLM thought so,) I hope you try it if you haven't. It somehow does a pretty dang good job with things. [0] - It really is a benchmark for a lot of sci-fi despite the fourth wall tapping.
- Obscurity4340 3y ago
  I feel like you're so close to getting to the point of realization that this fixation on duration and quality is ultimately arbitrary and, in my view, harmful. How else do you explain reboots besides the money part? There's clearly demand for it since people like what they know and their millions+-strong population must in some sense agree with me
Obscurity4340 3y ago
I appreciate you succinctly boiling down what I am trying to address here. I obviously disagree with this position strenuously but in my own way and for the purpose of really "putting a name" to that which I am advocating against, you have done both sides a great service.

MrRolleyes 3y ago

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bee_rider 3y ago

I mean, it is fiction, so of course you can just pick and choose what you engage with. But, it is pretty common to leave hints of backstory and future stuff. It is nice because you can fill in the blanks. “Happily ever after” can be as nice as you imagine. Or the author goes off the deep end and starts getting better known for political rants. Subsequently it may be hard to enjoy their older works as you are looking for signs of what will develop…

Miraste 3y ago

I hate this opinion, but even accepting it at face value, it doesn't apply to comic strips. A TV show is a mishmash of dozens of visions from the start, so it's easy to let the Ship of Theseus continue on with new writers or sequels or spinoffs. An author-drawn comic is the work of one person. It doesn't have a cast, it's just them. Letting corporate greed machines get it removes the whole appeal by default.

Obscurity4340 3y ago
How would it not apply even moreso to comic strips? Comic strips are even less accounted for in terms of the general body or oeuvre of that series. Like who can name every single comic strip "episode" relative to who can do so for its syndicated or movie counterpart(s) and also does it even have `seasons`?
- 1123581321 3y ago
  Calvin & Hobbes fans know the published strips very well.
  - Obscurity4340 3y ago
    ALL of them, seriously? Never missed one or went on vacation and the paper got thrown out (assuming that was the predominant medium)? Can all of you populate a spreadsheet by heart and argue in good faith with due accuracy as to each one out of the likely 1,000s? Sorry but I doubt that. But even so, it still doesn't lend itself to your point. You're saying 1,000s are perfection but + one new strip would immediately or at least in some historically-tainting way destroy everything? Is everything really that fragile? Edit: 2 0s
    - Izkata 3y ago
      There are about 3150 Calvin and Hobbes strips. For comparison, there are about 900 Star Trek episodes (including the animated ones). I don't find it hard to believe someone can know all of them, because I am one of those people for Star Trek, and comic strips are so much shorter. I couldn't populate a spreadsheet from scratch, but name an episode and reference the plot somehow, I'm fairly sure I'll remember it and be able to fill in some details without looking it up. > Never missed one or went on vacation and the paper got thrown out (assuming that was the predominant medium)? Also they're all available at https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/ https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/ - I read through the whole thing a few years ago.