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> “The very fact that people are viewing these images — which is exactly the intent of the Commission to try and overcome — is a form of abuse itself. So if we

> “The very fact that people are viewing these images — which is exactly the intent of the Commission to try and overcome — is a form of abuse itself. So if we now take innocent pictures, which have been shared among consenting individuals, and expose them to potentially hundreds of other individuals down the investigation chain then we are indeed actually creating more victims as a result of this.” This is the crux of the issue. Not only will this plan have a bunch of negative side-effects, it will actually hurt the very people it's meant to protect.

ASalazarMX 3y ago
Okay, you got a point... but also, think about the Terrorists! They could be exchanging Terrorist Secret Messages right under our noses! Seriously, whenever anyone justifies their actions with "Think of the children" or "Think about the terrorists" single-minded emotional appeals, I can't see it as anything but cheap manipulation. It should be required for proponents to back up their safety claims with hard numbers. They ask to give up a lot without without accountability, and I don't think the damage outweighs the benefit. For example, the Patriot act didn't result in a wave of terrorism crackdown, au contraire, it facilitated massive human rights abuse, but the rights it took have not been given back. Same with the massive increase in airport security, I don't know how many terrorists they have caught carrying nail clippers, but it seems like less intrusive methods would deter most terrorist attempts.
- throw310822 3y ago
  Much worse even, and given the recent and ongoing events, several EU governments have shown zero respect for freedom of speech and a tendency to accuse large parts of their population of "supporting terrorism". In the UK, police regularly harasses citizens for expressing their voice on social media and elsewhere on sensitive politic matters. And I am supposed to welcome these governments reading into my private messages in search for possible crimes? No way.
kelnos 3y ago
A former co-worker of mine used to work at a company where his job (he was a fresh college grad, so got the shit work) was to go through tons of text messages, social media posts, etc., and mark them as spam or not-spam. He... didn't last very long. It was just soul-sucking work. A level worse is the people who have to trawl through social media posts looking for the gruesome types of ToS violations: images of extreme violence and gore, cruelty, etc. A lot of people in those kinds of jobs need copious amounts of therapy to deal with it (but unfortunately many seem to not have access to therapy). Having to look at suspected CSAM all day to give a ok/not-ok determination on it? God, I can't imagine what that'd do to a person.
- tetha 3y ago
  > Having to look at suspected CSAM all day to give a ok/not-ok determination on it? God, I can't imagine what that'd do to a person. Especially if you didn't sign up for it. Like, someone in law enforcement probably has to do this, but I'd hope they signed up for it, received training for it and have a support network. But imagine if you're just a social media moderator and suddenly that's your job.

ASalazarMX 3y ago

Okay, you got a point... but also, think about the Terrorists! They could be exchanging Terrorist Secret Messages right under our noses! Seriously, whenever anyone justifies their actions with "Think of the children" or "Think about the terrorists" single-minded emotional appeals, I can't see it as anything but cheap manipulation. It should be required for proponents to back up their safety claims with hard numbers. They ask to give up a lot without without accountability, and I don't think the damage outweighs the benefit. For example, the Patriot act didn't result in a wave of terrorism crackdown, au contraire, it facilitated massive human rights abuse, but the rights it took have not been given back. Same with the massive increase in airport security, I don't know how many terrorists they have caught carrying nail clippers, but it seems like less intrusive methods would deter most terrorist attempts.

throw310822 3y ago
Much worse even, and given the recent and ongoing events, several EU governments have shown zero respect for freedom of speech and a tendency to accuse large parts of their population of "supporting terrorism". In the UK, police regularly harasses citizens for expressing their voice on social media and elsewhere on sensitive politic matters. And I am supposed to welcome these governments reading into my private messages in search for possible crimes? No way.

kelnos 3y ago

A former co-worker of mine used to work at a company where his job (he was a fresh college grad, so got the shit work) was to go through tons of text messages, social media posts, etc., and mark them as spam or not-spam. He... didn't last very long. It was just soul-sucking work. A level worse is the people who have to trawl through social media posts looking for the gruesome types of ToS violations: images of extreme violence and gore, cruelty, etc. A lot of people in those kinds of jobs need copious amounts of therapy to deal with it (but unfortunately many seem to not have access to therapy). Having to look at suspected CSAM all day to give a ok/not-ok determination on it? God, I can't imagine what that'd do to a person.

tetha 3y ago
> Having to look at suspected CSAM all day to give a ok/not-ok determination on it? God, I can't imagine what that'd do to a person. Especially if you didn't sign up for it. Like, someone in law enforcement probably has to do this, but I'd hope they signed up for it, received training for it and have a support network. But imagine if you're just a social media moderator and suddenly that's your job.