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Currently, the human driver responsible for the incident is still at large I welcome our robot overlords.

batch12 3y ago
I'll resist - and so we have balance.
pj_mukh 3y ago
Amen. Really wish there was a way for tech (especially new AI tech) to wholesale abandon the city. Even just move south to the actual Silicon Valley. The city picking winners and losers like this is untenable
- lamontcg 3y ago
  Cruise picked themselves as a loser by screwing up publicly and then trying to hide their problems.
  - pj_mukh 3y ago
    “Screwing up publicly” How else are they supposed to screw up? If the city needs more information from the cars, they should sue for it not indefinitely suspend operations. The city is looking to regulate all this like it regulates new housing (ie out of existence), there has to be consequences for it.
    - lamontcg 3y ago
      I don't know how to respond to this. If you screw up there needs to be consequences that bite. Suspending their operations is better than some meaningless fine and actually punishes them. If you can't see that, I can't help you.
      - pj_mukh 3y ago
        Note this is suspending operations indefinitely with no pathway back. No "take these steps and we'll consider re-instatement". Basically a death knell. Moreover, the city had requested the DMV do this to Waymo as well (the state DMV just declined). So yea, this is the city working to regulate driving, like it regulates housing and small business i.e. to the death while favoring incumbents that are far worse. Cruise operates fine in Austin and Phoenix. They could just move their operations to South San Francisco or further south and be better off. The city simply does not deserve the presence of tech, and for tech companies their presence in the city seems counter-effective
        ummonk 3y ago
        Stop saying nonsense. There is a pathway back: "The DMV has provided Cruise with the steps needed to apply to reinstate its suspended permits, which the DMV will not approve until the company has fulfilled the requirements to the department’s satisfaction."
- hnav 3y ago
  The DMV (state agency) is pulling their permit, not SF.
  - pj_mukh 3y ago
    Based purely on city pressure. Background reading will make this clear [1] [1]: https://sfist.com/2023/08/17/sf-city-attorney-files-motion-to-halt-roll-out-of-more-self-driving-cruise-and-waymo-robotaxis/ https://sfist.com/2023/08/17/sf-city-attorney-files-motion-t...
    - hnav 3y ago
      The city wanted both operators to have their permit pulled, DMV pulled only Cruise.
      - pj_mukh 3y ago
        Which is further making my point. Most of tech should abandon the city...fast.
- refulgentis 3y ago
  This isn't sports, alas. Though I sometimes feel that way in a post-"stonk" society. Some other factors are in play
- deleted 3y ago
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I'll resist - and so we have balance.

Amen. Really wish there was a way for tech (especially new AI tech) to wholesale abandon the city. Even just move south to the actual Silicon Valley. The city picking winners and losers like this is untenable

lamontcg 3y ago
Cruise picked themselves as a loser by screwing up publicly and then trying to hide their problems.
- pj_mukh 3y ago
  “Screwing up publicly” How else are they supposed to screw up? If the city needs more information from the cars, they should sue for it not indefinitely suspend operations. The city is looking to regulate all this like it regulates new housing (ie out of existence), there has to be consequences for it.
  - lamontcg 3y ago
    I don't know how to respond to this. If you screw up there needs to be consequences that bite. Suspending their operations is better than some meaningless fine and actually punishes them. If you can't see that, I can't help you.
    - pj_mukh 3y ago
      Note this is suspending operations indefinitely with no pathway back. No "take these steps and we'll consider re-instatement". Basically a death knell. Moreover, the city had requested the DMV do this to Waymo as well (the state DMV just declined). So yea, this is the city working to regulate driving, like it regulates housing and small business i.e. to the death while favoring incumbents that are far worse. Cruise operates fine in Austin and Phoenix. They could just move their operations to South San Francisco or further south and be better off. The city simply does not deserve the presence of tech, and for tech companies their presence in the city seems counter-effective
      - ummonk 3y ago
        Stop saying nonsense. There is a pathway back: "The DMV has provided Cruise with the steps needed to apply to reinstate its suspended permits, which the DMV will not approve until the company has fulfilled the requirements to the department’s satisfaction."
hnav 3y ago
The DMV (state agency) is pulling their permit, not SF.
- pj_mukh 3y ago
  Based purely on city pressure. Background reading will make this clear [1] [1]: https://sfist.com/2023/08/17/sf-city-attorney-files-motion-to-halt-roll-out-of-more-self-driving-cruise-and-waymo-robotaxis/ https://sfist.com/2023/08/17/sf-city-attorney-files-motion-t...
  - hnav 3y ago
    The city wanted both operators to have their permit pulled, DMV pulled only Cruise.
    - pj_mukh 3y ago
      Which is further making my point. Most of tech should abandon the city...fast.
refulgentis 3y ago
This isn't sports, alas. Though I sometimes feel that way in a post-"stonk" society. Some other factors are in play
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