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Once Wilson landed in Hong Kong, he alerted customs authorities to the gun, and was arrested. Ooops. No way I'd volunteer an illegal weapon in China. Not onl

by refurb 3y ago

Once Wilson landed in Hong Kong, he alerted customs authorities to the gun, and was arrested. Ooops. No way I'd volunteer an illegal weapon in China. Not only is it a very serious crime, but China would salivate at the opportunity to make an example out of this State Senator, and by extension the US. Would have been smarter to empty the gun, take it apart, and dump the pieces in different trash cans that aren't under surveillance. Wether the trash on the plane or a toilet before customs check. As for the TSA missing it, I remember reading a very long thread on a discussion board about people who accidentally brought weapons in prohibited places (planes, over borders, etc). I was shocked at the number of stories. People bringing handgun on planes. Bringing firearms into Canada or Mexico by car. Plenty of stories of people just disposing of them before heading back to the US.

nemothekid 3y ago
>Would have been smarter to empty the gun, take it apart, and dump the pieces in different trash cans that aren't under surveillance. Wether the trash on the plane or a toilet before customs check. 1. This is China, not North Korea. China isn’t salivating at the thought of detaining a lowly state senator. I don’t see the motivation for China to do a show of force on a minor government official. 2. The failure of this plan is way more risky and could actually trigger an international issue. What do you do when a janitor finds a disassembled gun in the trash and they determine it was left by a state senator? That is way more suspicious.
- m-p-3 3y ago
  Or if the gun is then linked to a crime in China, then traced back to a foreigner disposing of the weapon irresponsibly? He did the right thing, own up to his mistake right away, ensuring the weapon is kept secure at all time since its discovery.
  - refurb 3y ago
    How would a legal gun from the US be linked to a crime in China? It's in different pieces that there is no chance a single person will find all of them and assemble the weapon? Your theory makes no sense at all.
- refurb 3y ago
  1. There are several Western civilians who have been detained in prison for years in China over false charges. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Michael_Spavor_and_Michael_Kovrig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Michael_Spavor_an... https://www.reuters.com/world/blinken-actively-talking-about-three-americans-detained-china-cbs-news-2023-06-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/blinken-actively-talking-about... 2. I disagree that it's more risky. Dispose of the gun on the plane. How could they possibly link it to a passanger?
  - nemothekid 3y ago
    The arrest of Michael Spavor was in retaliation from the US detaining Meng Wanzhou over similarly flimsly charges. It's not something that was done at random or as a show of force. If a chinese national came to the US with a gun accidentally I wouldn't advise them to trash it in the bathroom because Meng Wanzhou was detained once. >How could they possibly link it to a passanger? The serial number. Unless the state senator is holding an unregistered gun I can't imagine it would be difficult to link it to him. And if is traveling with an unregistered gun, then he's already knowingly breaking the law; and he might as well break more laws.
    - refurb 3y ago
      Michael Spavor was arrest in retaliation for the arrest of the Huawei executive in Canada. And was promptly released when the Huawei executive was released. This state senator actually committed a crime. A very serious crime in China. One that people spend significant lengths in prison for. What stops China from putting them in prison then using them as a pawn for US-China relations (which are particularly hot right now)? The answer is nothing. > The serial number. Unless the state senator is holding an unregistered gun Guns aren't registered in the US. Serial numbers are recorded at sale, but there is no database. And China certainly won't have access to serial numbers should they find it. You think the US will give that information to a country that is holding a member of the government in prison?
leephillips 3y ago
Happens all the time: https://lee-phillips.org/dullesRevolver/ https://lee-phillips.org/dullesRevolver/
crote 3y ago
TSA fails about 75%-95% of their routine red team checks. That includes bombs and guns making it through security undetected. It's security theater, nothing more.
- panax 3y ago
  We need to abolish the TSA already
  - tristan957 3y ago
    Then you would have 500k unemployed individuals. What president would do that? TSA is the greatest jobs program in American history.
cvccvroomvroom 3y ago
Yes. The dude made 3 mistakes: packing a gun, volunteering incriminating information in a totalitarian country, and embarrassing the state of Washington. WA voters deserve better representation by someone who isn't so reckless.

by refurb 3y ago

nemothekid 3y ago

>Would have been smarter to empty the gun, take it apart, and dump the pieces in different trash cans that aren't under surveillance. Wether the trash on the plane or a toilet before customs check. 1. This is China, not North Korea. China isn’t salivating at the thought of detaining a lowly state senator. I don’t see the motivation for China to do a show of force on a minor government official. 2. The failure of this plan is way more risky and could actually trigger an international issue. What do you do when a janitor finds a disassembled gun in the trash and they determine it was left by a state senator? That is way more suspicious.

m-p-3 3y ago
Or if the gun is then linked to a crime in China, then traced back to a foreigner disposing of the weapon irresponsibly? He did the right thing, own up to his mistake right away, ensuring the weapon is kept secure at all time since its discovery.
- refurb 3y ago
  How would a legal gun from the US be linked to a crime in China? It's in different pieces that there is no chance a single person will find all of them and assemble the weapon? Your theory makes no sense at all.
refurb 3y ago
1. There are several Western civilians who have been detained in prison for years in China over false charges. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Michael_Spavor_and_Michael_Kovrig https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detention_of_Michael_Spavor_an... https://www.reuters.com/world/blinken-actively-talking-about-three-americans-detained-china-cbs-news-2023-06-20/ https://www.reuters.com/world/blinken-actively-talking-about... 2. I disagree that it's more risky. Dispose of the gun on the plane. How could they possibly link it to a passanger?
- nemothekid 3y ago
  The arrest of Michael Spavor was in retaliation from the US detaining Meng Wanzhou over similarly flimsly charges. It's not something that was done at random or as a show of force. If a chinese national came to the US with a gun accidentally I wouldn't advise them to trash it in the bathroom because Meng Wanzhou was detained once. >How could they possibly link it to a passanger? The serial number. Unless the state senator is holding an unregistered gun I can't imagine it would be difficult to link it to him. And if is traveling with an unregistered gun, then he's already knowingly breaking the law; and he might as well break more laws.
  - refurb 3y ago
    Michael Spavor was arrest in retaliation for the arrest of the Huawei executive in Canada. And was promptly released when the Huawei executive was released. This state senator actually committed a crime. A very serious crime in China. One that people spend significant lengths in prison for. What stops China from putting them in prison then using them as a pawn for US-China relations (which are particularly hot right now)? The answer is nothing. > The serial number. Unless the state senator is holding an unregistered gun Guns aren't registered in the US. Serial numbers are recorded at sale, but there is no database. And China certainly won't have access to serial numbers should they find it. You think the US will give that information to a country that is holding a member of the government in prison?

leephillips 3y ago

Happens all the time: https://lee-phillips.org/dullesRevolver/ https://lee-phillips.org/dullesRevolver/

crote 3y ago

TSA fails about 75%-95% of their routine red team checks. That includes bombs and guns making it through security undetected. It's security theater, nothing more.

panax 3y ago
We need to abolish the TSA already
- tristan957 3y ago
  Then you would have 500k unemployed individuals. What president would do that? TSA is the greatest jobs program in American history.

cvccvroomvroom 3y ago

Yes. The dude made 3 mistakes: packing a gun, volunteering incriminating information in a totalitarian country, and embarrassing the state of Washington. WA voters deserve better representation by someone who isn't so reckless.