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It's (edit: $3230, thanks for pointing that out), but AFAIK this is the first publicly available gallery plus display and it's half the price of the ACeP demo d

by rendaw 3y ago

It's (edit: $3230, thanks for pointing that out), but AFAIK this is the first publicly available gallery plus display and it's half the price of the ACeP demo display kits from a couple years ago. I still have no comprehension of EInk's branding, so I'm not sure if ACeP is the high color thing or gallery plus is, but gallery plus is ACeP and this is gallery plus. I'd love a color e-ink art frame, but I hope maybe I can find one in a store to see first.

carb 3y ago
The price I see converts to roughly $3250 due to the current exchange rates actually. Is $5k after shipping+taxes are factored in?
- rendaw 3y ago
  Ah... no, my bad. Using a naive and at the moment terribly incorrect $1=100yen conversion rate plus rounding.
  - nyanmatt 3y ago
    10 years ago that was fairly accurate, and I've been using that conversion ever since visiting around that time. Surprising to see the conversion rate move so much.
    - Tommah 3y ago
      Huh, I was using that rate in my head too. The yen was hovering around 9/10 of a cent from 2017 until the beginning of 2022. I only noticed the drop recently.
robin_reala 3y ago
It’s listed as ￥484,000 which is currently 3,231 USD.
rendaw 3y ago
Ah, here's Deepl's translation of the product description: Rewritable color e-paper with paper-like visibility is born! Digital signage that can rewrite and distribute contents, and the installability of paper posters that can be placed anywhere, are realized at the same time. The new ePoster, an environmentally friendly product that can be displayed with 0W power consumption, will change the way information is transmitted. Constant display with zero power consumption*1 Once displayed, the display is maintained even when the power is turned off. Since no power is used except for rewriting the display, overwhelmingly low power consumption can be achieved. 1 Power connection is required for display rewriting, auto mode, and eSibnage S (sold separately) operation. Paper-like easy-to-read screen Reflective display with no backlight and a viewing angle of almost 180°. Just like paper, it is easy on the eyes even after long hours of continuous viewing and offers excellent visibility in bright locations. Thin, lightweight, and free installation The thin, lightweight design allows for easy and free installation in a variety of locations. No power cable wiring is required, so it can be installed in places where a power source is not available. Contributes to environmental friendliness About 30% of the plastic material used for the main cabinet is recycled. Recycled paper is also used for the packaging cushioning material, contributing to environmental friendliness. Replacing paper posters and POP can contribute to cost reduction and CO2 reduction in printing, sorting, distribution, and repositioning work.
- soperj 3y ago
  I feel like eventually this will put billboard sign replacers out of a job.
  - SoftTalker 3y ago
    I would not think so at $3k per 25" but I don't know what the big LED billboards cost (+ power consumption) and you do see those more and more.
    - jszymborski 3y ago
      LED's are a good comparison point. They once were hyper expensive. The thought that we'd have billboards bedazzled with them would have seemed impossible.
amelius 3y ago
From the picture it seems it covers only a small part of the colorspace, mostly low saturation.
incahoots 3y ago
>I'd love a color e-ink art frame, but I hope maybe I can find one in a store to see first. Me too. I see them used at small scale, like price tags at the local grocery stores (I'm told Aldi's in the US as switched to these), and I fanboy a bit when I see them used in the wild.
- wlesieutre 3y ago
  Can confirm my Aldi has these. They're two-color units with black and red.
Qwertious 3y ago
ACeP is the multi-dye tech. Basically, there are two ways of getting color one-ink: you either get a normal monochromatic e-ink screen and place a stained-glass checkerboard over it (which sucks, and is called CFA/Color Filter Array), or you make it so every pixel has black dye, red dye, yellow dye, purple dye, etc. CFA tech is what E-ink's "Kaleido" line uses, whereas ACeP is used in the "Gallery" line. Gallery Plus means, IIRC, they have 7 different dyes in each pixel (and takes 10ish(?) seconds to refresh, with the latest model). There's also the Gallery 3, which is an 8" screen that has ~4 dyes and can actually update the screen in a reasonable timeframe for interactive use.
- rendaw 3y ago
  Bookmarking this for reference
derda 3y ago
Philips Professional Display has a Signage Screen probably based on the same panel available for some time. I have seen it the first time at ISE last January and it looks pretty good, considering it is ePaper. About half the price. https://www.ppds.com/display-solutions/digital-signage/philips-tableaux https://www.ppds.com/display-solutions/digital-signage/phili...

by rendaw 3y ago

carb 3y ago

The price I see converts to roughly $3250 due to the current exchange rates actually. Is $5k after shipping+taxes are factored in?

rendaw 3y ago
Ah... no, my bad. Using a naive and at the moment terribly incorrect $1=100yen conversion rate plus rounding.
- nyanmatt 3y ago
  10 years ago that was fairly accurate, and I've been using that conversion ever since visiting around that time. Surprising to see the conversion rate move so much.
  - Tommah 3y ago
    Huh, I was using that rate in my head too. The yen was hovering around 9/10 of a cent from 2017 until the beginning of 2022. I only noticed the drop recently.

robin_reala 3y ago

It’s listed as ￥484,000 which is currently 3,231 USD.

rendaw 3y ago

Ah, here's Deepl's translation of the product description: Rewritable color e-paper with paper-like visibility is born! Digital signage that can rewrite and distribute contents, and the installability of paper posters that can be placed anywhere, are realized at the same time. The new ePoster, an environmentally friendly product that can be displayed with 0W power consumption, will change the way information is transmitted. Constant display with zero power consumption*1 Once displayed, the display is maintained even when the power is turned off. Since no power is used except for rewriting the display, overwhelmingly low power consumption can be achieved. 1 Power connection is required for display rewriting, auto mode, and eSibnage S (sold separately) operation. Paper-like easy-to-read screen Reflective display with no backlight and a viewing angle of almost 180°. Just like paper, it is easy on the eyes even after long hours of continuous viewing and offers excellent visibility in bright locations. Thin, lightweight, and free installation The thin, lightweight design allows for easy and free installation in a variety of locations. No power cable wiring is required, so it can be installed in places where a power source is not available. Contributes to environmental friendliness About 30% of the plastic material used for the main cabinet is recycled. Recycled paper is also used for the packaging cushioning material, contributing to environmental friendliness. Replacing paper posters and POP can contribute to cost reduction and CO2 reduction in printing, sorting, distribution, and repositioning work.

soperj 3y ago
I feel like eventually this will put billboard sign replacers out of a job.
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  I would not think so at $3k per 25" but I don't know what the big LED billboards cost (+ power consumption) and you do see those more and more.
  - jszymborski 3y ago
    LED's are a good comparison point. They once were hyper expensive. The thought that we'd have billboards bedazzled with them would have seemed impossible.

amelius 3y ago

From the picture it seems it covers only a small part of the colorspace, mostly low saturation.

incahoots 3y ago

>I'd love a color e-ink art frame, but I hope maybe I can find one in a store to see first. Me too. I see them used at small scale, like price tags at the local grocery stores (I'm told Aldi's in the US as switched to these), and I fanboy a bit when I see them used in the wild.

wlesieutre 3y ago
Can confirm my Aldi has these. They're two-color units with black and red.

Qwertious 3y ago

ACeP is the multi-dye tech. Basically, there are two ways of getting color one-ink: you either get a normal monochromatic e-ink screen and place a stained-glass checkerboard over it (which sucks, and is called CFA/Color Filter Array), or you make it so every pixel has black dye, red dye, yellow dye, purple dye, etc. CFA tech is what E-ink's "Kaleido" line uses, whereas ACeP is used in the "Gallery" line. Gallery Plus means, IIRC, they have 7 different dyes in each pixel (and takes 10ish(?) seconds to refresh, with the latest model). There's also the Gallery 3, which is an 8" screen that has ~4 dyes and can actually update the screen in a reasonable timeframe for interactive use.

rendaw 3y ago
Bookmarking this for reference

derda 3y ago

Philips Professional Display has a Signage Screen probably based on the same panel available for some time. I have seen it the first time at ISE last January and it looks pretty good, considering it is ePaper. About half the price. https://www.ppds.com/display-solutions/digital-signage/philips-tableaux https://www.ppds.com/display-solutions/digital-signage/phili...