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Are people not allowed to discuss their suicidal thoughts? Or, they are allowed, but only certain pre-approved opinions? Particularly, anti-suicide opinions are

Are people not allowed to discuss their suicidal thoughts? Or, they are allowed, but only certain pre-approved opinions? Particularly, anti-suicide opinions are allowed while pro-suicide opinions are "illegal"? People should have the right to choose what they want to do with their own body, including the choice to kill themselves. Suicidal thoughts will not disappear by simply outlawing the public expression of them. You are merely pushing people more into the fringes, when you should be attempting to pull them out.

zirgs 3y ago
> People should have the right to choose what they want to do with their own body, including the choice to kill themselves. Many suicide attempt survivors don't try it again.
- tremon 3y ago
  Nor do the successful ones
  - deleted 3y ago
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- Pannoniae 3y ago
  Because it's hard and society makes it as hard as possible to do it in a dignified way without lots of suffering. It's not as easy as you think, even when you are suffering. Being an empty walking corpse but technically living isn't any better than going through with it.
  - zirgs 3y ago
    Those who really want to die - will find a way. But there should be obstacles to discourage those who have temporary problems. I mean - we can agree that if your crush rejects you when you're 16 years old - that isn't a good reason to take your own life. But if you're terminally ill and don't have much time left anyway then suicide is totally OK.
- StevenWaterman 3y ago
  That doesn't mean they want to be alive though. Surviving a suicide attempt is a pretty awful and traumatic experience. It's entirely logical to not try again, out of fear that you will survive. Of course, that's absolutely not universal. There are plenty of survivors who go on to live happy lives. But it's disingenuous to say that not trying again is evidence that they want to be alive.
- baobabKoodaa 3y ago
  When people have the right to control their own lives, they will sometimes make bad decisions. Yes, sometimes that means a person will kill themselves in a spur of the moment thing when they really shouldn't have. And other times that means a person will contemplate suicide a really long time, continue their unnecessary suffering, and later regret their choice to live. Give people autonomy and they sometimes make bad decisions. Is that not obvious? What do you want? You want to be the judge who decides for others how they should live or die? Get off your high horse, you're not God.
s5300 3y ago
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phire 3y ago
From what I've heard, the problem with this type of site isn't really the people expressing their own suicidal thoughts. The problem the motivations of the people who responding to these expressions. Apparently these sites attract "angel of death" type characters who aren't suicidal themselves but appear to enjoy nudging suicidal people towards concrete action. In the example I heard about, the site adopted moderation policies that were quick to delete any replies that were even vaguely anti-suicide (have you considered talking to someone), but had no problems leaving up replies encouraging people towards suicide. That site also had a paid members-only area that had instructions for foolproof suicide methods (which one of their members sold the ingredients for) ----- So you have people who are struggling with suicidal thoughts, and they stumble across one of these sites. And they get sucked into an echo chamber where suicide isn't just talked about openly, but encouraged and even glorified.

zirgs 3y ago

> People should have the right to choose what they want to do with their own body, including the choice to kill themselves. Many suicide attempt survivors don't try it again.

tremon 3y ago
Nor do the successful ones
- deleted 3y ago
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Pannoniae 3y ago
Because it's hard and society makes it as hard as possible to do it in a dignified way without lots of suffering. It's not as easy as you think, even when you are suffering. Being an empty walking corpse but technically living isn't any better than going through with it.
- zirgs 3y ago
  Those who really want to die - will find a way. But there should be obstacles to discourage those who have temporary problems. I mean - we can agree that if your crush rejects you when you're 16 years old - that isn't a good reason to take your own life. But if you're terminally ill and don't have much time left anyway then suicide is totally OK.
StevenWaterman 3y ago
That doesn't mean they want to be alive though. Surviving a suicide attempt is a pretty awful and traumatic experience. It's entirely logical to not try again, out of fear that you will survive. Of course, that's absolutely not universal. There are plenty of survivors who go on to live happy lives. But it's disingenuous to say that not trying again is evidence that they want to be alive.
baobabKoodaa 3y ago
When people have the right to control their own lives, they will sometimes make bad decisions. Yes, sometimes that means a person will kill themselves in a spur of the moment thing when they really shouldn't have. And other times that means a person will contemplate suicide a really long time, continue their unnecessary suffering, and later regret their choice to live. Give people autonomy and they sometimes make bad decisions. Is that not obvious? What do you want? You want to be the judge who decides for others how they should live or die? Get off your high horse, you're not God.

s5300 3y ago

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phire 3y ago

From what I've heard, the problem with this type of site isn't really the people expressing their own suicidal thoughts. The problem the motivations of the people who responding to these expressions. Apparently these sites attract "angel of death" type characters who aren't suicidal themselves but appear to enjoy nudging suicidal people towards concrete action. In the example I heard about, the site adopted moderation policies that were quick to delete any replies that were even vaguely anti-suicide (have you considered talking to someone), but had no problems leaving up replies encouraging people towards suicide. That site also had a paid members-only area that had instructions for foolproof suicide methods (which one of their members sold the ingredients for) ----- So you have people who are struggling with suicidal thoughts, and they stumble across one of these sites. And they get sucked into an echo chamber where suicide isn't just talked about openly, but encouraged and even glorified.