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> if you buy a phone and use it till it dies, as we should Why should we do this, exactly? Someone should use it until it dies, but that person shouldn't neces

by hug 3y ago

> if you buy a phone and use it till it dies, as we should Why should we do this, exactly? Someone should use it until it dies, but that person shouldn't necessarily be the first owner. Why can I not use the secondary market to both subsidise my upgrades & provide someone with an opportunity to buy a second-hand phone at a discount?

sokoloff 3y ago
As a buyer of 12-24 month old iPhones (and 3-6 year old cars), I'm really glad this market exists.
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  It usually doesn't matter, but there can be slight differences in frequency band support between iphones distributed in different regions. These days there are four different combinations of frequency models out there for each version. https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/ https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/ e.g. On the iPhone 14/15 (pro/plus), only US models have: n258 (26 GHz) n260 (39 GHz) n261 (28 GHz) while rest of world models do not have those. Then just 6 non-US countries have 1500MHz in LTE, but all 15s support it over 5G and satellite. On 14s, 1500MHz has less support. It's getting like the bad ole days: "oh you need a quad-band phone if you're going from US to Europe or vice versa". Probably none of this matters unless you're in a fringe area. https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/ https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Same with Samsung. European models don't have any mmWave support. I wish they did. I know the networks don't use it but this way they never will. Chicken & Egg...
    - toast0 3y ago
      I was pretty sure mmWave was getting installed at large entertainment venues, this PR from a couple days ago says Verizon has mmWave at all NFL stadiums[1]. ATT PR from two years ago says ATT had mmWave coverage in parts of 39 cities and 20 venues [2]. I couldn't find recent T-Mobile PR on this topic, but I'm pretty sure they've got mmWave deployments too. So... networks are deployed, and handsets are deployed, but mmWave network deployment is always going to be sparse and in places with lots of handsets, they don't all need to be on mmWave, those that are free up other spectrum for other phones, so everyone gets improved service. [1] https://www.rcrwireless.com/20231019/venues/verizon-mmwave-network-is-now-in-every-nfl-stadium https://www.rcrwireless.com/20231019/venues/verizon-mmwave-n... [2] https://about.att.com/innovationblog/2021/c-band-5G.html https://about.att.com/innovationblog/2021/c-band-5G.html
      - Scoundreller 3y ago
        So how will the almost as big EU stadiums handle the load? (maybe the answer is europeans go to watch the game...) I found it interesting that Puerto Rico gets the iphones with mmWave, but USVI and Guam don't. Also noticed that nonUS/CAN phones don't support 600mhz, and that can make a difference when you have lots of obstructions (e.g. forest/concrete) if you're missing that in US/CAN. Your next available frequency will likely be be 850mhz - doesn't penetrate as well, and could have more traffic/noise on it.
        toast0 3y ago
        That's a good question. There are other techniques to get large crowd reception, so they'll probably invest in those, if they do? Very interesting for USVI and Guam. I agree 600 mhz seems like a band you want to have... May as well after all the pain to over the air tv broadcasting it caused to get that spectrum. Unfortunately spectrum allocation seems to be in small chunks here and there with little coordination between regulators and then you end up with what we've got: any given handset can't reasonably work on all the bands, so a maker has to pick the bands based on the probable place of use (and sometimes the network, too)
        wkat4242 3y ago

by hug 3y ago

sokoloff 3y ago

As a buyer of 12-24 month old iPhones (and 3-6 year old cars), I'm really glad this market exists.

Scoundreller 3y ago
It usually doesn't matter, but there can be slight differences in frequency band support between iphones distributed in different regions. These days there are four different combinations of frequency models out there for each version. https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/ https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/ e.g. On the iPhone 14/15 (pro/plus), only US models have: n258 (26 GHz) n260 (39 GHz) n261 (28 GHz) while rest of world models do not have those. Then just 6 non-US countries have 1500MHz in LTE, but all 15s support it over 5G and satellite. On 14s, 1500MHz has less support. It's getting like the bad ole days: "oh you need a quad-band phone if you're going from US to Europe or vice versa". Probably none of this matters unless you're in a fringe area. https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/ https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Same with Samsung. European models don't have any mmWave support. I wish they did. I know the networks don't use it but this way they never will. Chicken & Egg...
  - toast0 3y ago
    I was pretty sure mmWave was getting installed at large entertainment venues, this PR from a couple days ago says Verizon has mmWave at all NFL stadiums[1]. ATT PR from two years ago says ATT had mmWave coverage in parts of 39 cities and 20 venues [2]. I couldn't find recent T-Mobile PR on this topic, but I'm pretty sure they've got mmWave deployments too. So... networks are deployed, and handsets are deployed, but mmWave network deployment is always going to be sparse and in places with lots of handsets, they don't all need to be on mmWave, those that are free up other spectrum for other phones, so everyone gets improved service. [1] https://www.rcrwireless.com/20231019/venues/verizon-mmwave-network-is-now-in-every-nfl-stadium https://www.rcrwireless.com/20231019/venues/verizon-mmwave-n... [2] https://about.att.com/innovationblog/2021/c-band-5G.html https://about.att.com/innovationblog/2021/c-band-5G.html
    - Scoundreller 3y ago
      So how will the almost as big EU stadiums handle the load? (maybe the answer is europeans go to watch the game...) I found it interesting that Puerto Rico gets the iphones with mmWave, but USVI and Guam don't. Also noticed that nonUS/CAN phones don't support 600mhz, and that can make a difference when you have lots of obstructions (e.g. forest/concrete) if you're missing that in US/CAN. Your next available frequency will likely be be 850mhz - doesn't penetrate as well, and could have more traffic/noise on it.
      - toast0 3y ago
        That's a good question. There are other techniques to get large crowd reception, so they'll probably invest in those, if they do? Very interesting for USVI and Guam. I agree 600 mhz seems like a band you want to have... May as well after all the pain to over the air tv broadcasting it caused to get that spectrum. Unfortunately spectrum allocation seems to be in small chunks here and there with little coordination between regulators and then you end up with what we've got: any given handset can't reasonably work on all the bands, so a maker has to pick the bands based on the probable place of use (and sometimes the network, too)
      - wkat4242 3y ago