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Wouldn't bother me if they targeted stolen phones. After all sorry but I don't see how you have a phone to resell unless you are an irresponsible consumer and I

Wouldn't bother me if they targeted stolen phones. After all sorry but I don't see how you have a phone to resell unless you are an irresponsible consumer and I am pro shutting those people down. if you buy a phone and use it till it dies, as we should, your phone shouldn't really be "resellable". And shutting down stolen phones automatically is good for third world countries where owning anything remotely good means you are a target for criminals.

datameta 3y ago
The phones are not stolen, merely intended for another region.
- deleted 3y ago
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bakugo 3y ago
> If you resell a phone, it's can only be because you stole it Am I right in assuming you're a regular buyer of Apple devices?
- dotnet00 3y ago
  Do you even need to ask?
hug 3y ago
> if you buy a phone and use it till it dies, as we should Why should we do this, exactly? Someone should use it until it dies, but that person shouldn't necessarily be the first owner. Why can I not use the secondary market to both subsidise my upgrades & provide someone with an opportunity to buy a second-hand phone at a discount?
- sokoloff 3y ago
  As a buyer of 12-24 month old iPhones (and 3-6 year old cars), I'm really glad this market exists.
  - Scoundreller 3y ago
    It usually doesn't matter, but there can be slight differences in frequency band support between iphones distributed in different regions. These days there are four different combinations of frequency models out there for each version. https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/ https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/ e.g. On the iPhone 14/15 (pro/plus), only US models have: n258 (26 GHz) n260 (39 GHz) n261 (28 GHz) while rest of world models do not have those. Then just 6 non-US countries have 1500MHz in LTE, but all 15s support it over 5G and satellite. On 14s, 1500MHz has less support. It's getting like the bad ole days: "oh you need a quad-band phone if you're going from US to Europe or vice versa". Probably none of this matters unless you're in a fringe area. https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/ https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/
    - wkat4242 3y ago
      Same with Samsung. European models don't have any mmWave support. I wish they did. I know the networks don't use it but this way they never will. Chicken & Egg...
      - toast0 3y ago
        I was pretty sure mmWave was getting installed at large entertainment venues, this PR from a couple days ago says Verizon has mmWave at all NFL stadiums[1]. ATT PR from two years ago says ATT had mmWave coverage in parts of 39 cities and 20 venues [2]. I couldn't find recent T-Mobile PR on this topic, but I'm pretty sure they've got mmWave deployments too. So... networks are deployed, and handsets are deployed, but mmWave network deployment is always going to be sparse and in places with lots of handsets, they don't all need to be on mmWave, those that are free up other spectrum for other phones, so everyone gets improved service. [1] https://www.rcrwireless.com/20231019/venues/verizon-mmwave-network-is-now-in-every-nfl-stadium https://www.rcrwireless.com/20231019/venues/verizon-mmwave-n... [2] https://about.att.com/innovationblog/2021/c-band-5G.html https://about.att.com/innovationblog/2021/c-band-5G.html

datameta 3y ago

The phones are not stolen, merely intended for another region.

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bakugo 3y ago

> If you resell a phone, it's can only be because you stole it Am I right in assuming you're a regular buyer of Apple devices?

dotnet00 3y ago
Do you even need to ask?

hug 3y ago

> if you buy a phone and use it till it dies, as we should Why should we do this, exactly? Someone should use it until it dies, but that person shouldn't necessarily be the first owner. Why can I not use the secondary market to both subsidise my upgrades & provide someone with an opportunity to buy a second-hand phone at a discount?

sokoloff 3y ago
As a buyer of 12-24 month old iPhones (and 3-6 year old cars), I'm really glad this market exists.
- Scoundreller 3y ago
  It usually doesn't matter, but there can be slight differences in frequency band support between iphones distributed in different regions. These days there are four different combinations of frequency models out there for each version. https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/ https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/ e.g. On the iPhone 14/15 (pro/plus), only US models have: n258 (26 GHz) n260 (39 GHz) n261 (28 GHz) while rest of world models do not have those. Then just 6 non-US countries have 1500MHz in LTE, but all 15s support it over 5G and satellite. On 14s, 1500MHz has less support. It's getting like the bad ole days: "oh you need a quad-band phone if you're going from US to Europe or vice versa". Probably none of this matters unless you're in a fringe area. https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/ https://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/cellular/
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Same with Samsung. European models don't have any mmWave support. I wish they did. I know the networks don't use it but this way they never will. Chicken & Egg...
    - toast0 3y ago
      I was pretty sure mmWave was getting installed at large entertainment venues, this PR from a couple days ago says Verizon has mmWave at all NFL stadiums[1]. ATT PR from two years ago says ATT had mmWave coverage in parts of 39 cities and 20 venues [2]. I couldn't find recent T-Mobile PR on this topic, but I'm pretty sure they've got mmWave deployments too. So... networks are deployed, and handsets are deployed, but mmWave network deployment is always going to be sparse and in places with lots of handsets, they don't all need to be on mmWave, those that are free up other spectrum for other phones, so everyone gets improved service. [1] https://www.rcrwireless.com/20231019/venues/verizon-mmwave-network-is-now-in-every-nfl-stadium https://www.rcrwireless.com/20231019/venues/verizon-mmwave-n... [2] https://about.att.com/innovationblog/2021/c-band-5G.html https://about.att.com/innovationblog/2021/c-band-5G.html