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How so? I usually have 200-600 browser tabs open for weeks on Windows/ryzen 5000

by hypercube33 3y ago

vGPU 3y ago
I have one specific TradingView tab that will crash the browser if I try to interact with it. Been that way for weeks.
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theGnuMe 3y ago
Weird, chrome freezes daily for me.
- NavinF 3y ago
  On what machine? As I mentioned up thread, if a machine with similar specs can't handle that many tabs, something is misconfigured. Eg maybe memory timings are way too conservative or the wrong power profile is in use. If you open Resource Monitor before the freeze, you can usually see what happened on the graphs. If you're fast enough, you can also click "analyze wait chain" to see something that looks like a stack trace. The graphs and trace should make it pretty obvious why an app is frozen. Eg maybe it's trying to save the history sqlite database and your SSD ran out of SLC cache.
ge96 3y ago
Yeah my comment is more on memory management in this case 16GB range. edit: I'm gonna get dinged for OT comment again ha
NavinF 3y ago
That's not a lot tbh. I'm usually at ~1500 tabs (13 windows across 3 win+tab desktops) per machine on both my desktop (64GB 5800x3d) and macbook (32GB M2 Pro).
- 3c6bYDXLMj 3y ago
  It’s quite clearly a lot. Just not as much as you.
  - NavinF 3y ago
    I meant that for a modern machine 1500 is nowhere close to the maximum amount you can have before TLB misses (and later page faults) slow down the entire machine. If a machine with similar specs can't handle that many tabs, something is misconfigured. Eg maybe memory timings are way too conservative or the wrong power profile is in use.
    - astrange 3y ago
      Remember a website can do anything it wants, and that includes leaking 32GB memory. Browsers have been implementing background tab killing recently though, so just because you have a tab doesn't mean the process is actually backing it anymore.
      - NavinF 3y ago
        I've seen the occasional memory leak from Youtube and Twitter, but only once a month. Not a big deal since I try to reboot for security updates every 3-6 months anyway.
    - brigade 3y ago
      1500 tabs easily touches enough RAM that average computers will keep swapping if that's actually your working set. Which is why any good browser should be completely freezing tabs that haven't been active in a while so their memory can remain swapped out, or even completely unloading them. Though, 1500 tabs in one window is beyond the point at which it impacts Safari's responsiveness, but that's completely unrelated to the contents of the tabs and is instead the fault of taking way too long to update every NSView in the tab bar.
- smilespray 3y ago
  Good lord. Now I'm hesitantly curious to know how many unread messages and unopened emails you have.
TomK32 3y ago
Have you heard of bookmarks? And if you need a little bit of help with that, Tab Stash comes to the rescue https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-stash/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-stash/
- giancarlostoro 3y ago
  From someone who sometimes becomes a tab hoarder... Bookmarks get lost, tabs are things you want to keep around until you are done with it. Every now and then I say "eff it" and clear all my tabs and start over, but most of the time I leave them up. It makes it easy to talk to friends about recent stories I just read if its still there in my tabs.
  - jwells89 3y ago
    Bookmarks also have considerable management overhead if one wants to keep them usable, largely thanks to browser vendors having either phoned in the design of their bookmark managers or left them stuck in 1999. For some reason an Nth cosmetic toolbar redesign is more important than making bookmark management not terrible.
    - NavinF 3y ago
      Exactly. You can't even search within just one bookmark folder in chrome or do fuzzy search. Bookmark manager UX is hot garbage.
      - ninkendo 3y ago
        Just use history. It has great search. Close your tabs, let go. It’s a history search away if you want it back.
        NavinF 3y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37992980 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37992980 Also no, history has terrible search. You can't search within pages, search within a single folder/window, etc.
teaearlgraycold 3y ago
Seek help
- charlie0 3y ago
  I'm convinced the neurology of these people is setup in a way that they feel physically rewarded from combing through random hoarded stuff to find what they are looking for vs organizing things. It would make for an interesting scientific study as to why some users feel so compelled to keep so many tabs open. Is it FOMO, excellent recall (the only way I can see this being truly useful), or actual hoarding disorder gone digital??? As a person who has terrible short-term memory, I'm genuinely curious. I never hoard my tabs past a certain point 10-20 tabs, it actually slows me down in finding what I'm looking for. If I'm working on specific projects and need to save the tabs for later, I just use tab groups in Chrome and associate with a task so when I context switch, I just open up an existing tab group and close my other non-related ones. https://www.google.com/chrome/tips/#:~:text=You%20can%20group%20tabs%20to,Add%20Tab%20to%20new%20group https://www.google.com/chrome/tips/#:~:text=You%20can%20grou....
  - Sakos 3y ago
    1) Why so judgmental? 2) As somebody with ADHD, there's an unacceptable level of mental overhead required for organizing things. I simply don't have any spare bandwidth to add organizing tabs into bookmarks and organizing bookmarks or whatever else into my daily functioning as a human being. It has nothing to do with feeling rewarded.
  - teaearlgraycold 3y ago
    I don’t think it deserves that much armchair psychology. I was joking.

How so? I usually have 200-600 browser tabs open for weeks on Windows/ryzen 5000

vGPU 3y ago

I have one specific TradingView tab that will crash the browser if I try to interact with it. Been that way for weeks.

deleted 3y ago

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theGnuMe 3y ago

Weird, chrome freezes daily for me.

NavinF 3y ago
On what machine? As I mentioned up thread, if a machine with similar specs can't handle that many tabs, something is misconfigured. Eg maybe memory timings are way too conservative or the wrong power profile is in use. If you open Resource Monitor before the freeze, you can usually see what happened on the graphs. If you're fast enough, you can also click "analyze wait chain" to see something that looks like a stack trace. The graphs and trace should make it pretty obvious why an app is frozen. Eg maybe it's trying to save the history sqlite database and your SSD ran out of SLC cache.

ge96 3y ago

Yeah my comment is more on memory management in this case 16GB range. edit: I'm gonna get dinged for OT comment again ha

NavinF 3y ago

That's not a lot tbh. I'm usually at ~1500 tabs (13 windows across 3 win+tab desktops) per machine on both my desktop (64GB 5800x3d) and macbook (32GB M2 Pro).

3c6bYDXLMj 3y ago
It’s quite clearly a lot. Just not as much as you.
- NavinF 3y ago
  I meant that for a modern machine 1500 is nowhere close to the maximum amount you can have before TLB misses (and later page faults) slow down the entire machine. If a machine with similar specs can't handle that many tabs, something is misconfigured. Eg maybe memory timings are way too conservative or the wrong power profile is in use.
  - astrange 3y ago
    Remember a website can do anything it wants, and that includes leaking 32GB memory. Browsers have been implementing background tab killing recently though, so just because you have a tab doesn't mean the process is actually backing it anymore.
    - NavinF 3y ago
      I've seen the occasional memory leak from Youtube and Twitter, but only once a month. Not a big deal since I try to reboot for security updates every 3-6 months anyway.
  - brigade 3y ago
    1500 tabs easily touches enough RAM that average computers will keep swapping if that's actually your working set. Which is why any good browser should be completely freezing tabs that haven't been active in a while so their memory can remain swapped out, or even completely unloading them. Though, 1500 tabs in one window is beyond the point at which it impacts Safari's responsiveness, but that's completely unrelated to the contents of the tabs and is instead the fault of taking way too long to update every NSView in the tab bar.
smilespray 3y ago
Good lord. Now I'm hesitantly curious to know how many unread messages and unopened emails you have.

TomK32 3y ago

Have you heard of bookmarks? And if you need a little bit of help with that, Tab Stash comes to the rescue https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-stash/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tab-stash/

giancarlostoro 3y ago
From someone who sometimes becomes a tab hoarder... Bookmarks get lost, tabs are things you want to keep around until you are done with it. Every now and then I say "eff it" and clear all my tabs and start over, but most of the time I leave them up. It makes it easy to talk to friends about recent stories I just read if its still there in my tabs.
- jwells89 3y ago
  Bookmarks also have considerable management overhead if one wants to keep them usable, largely thanks to browser vendors having either phoned in the design of their bookmark managers or left them stuck in 1999. For some reason an Nth cosmetic toolbar redesign is more important than making bookmark management not terrible.
  - NavinF 3y ago
    Exactly. You can't even search within just one bookmark folder in chrome or do fuzzy search. Bookmark manager UX is hot garbage.
    - ninkendo 3y ago
      Just use history. It has great search. Close your tabs, let go. It’s a history search away if you want it back.
      - NavinF 3y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37992980 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37992980 Also no, history has terrible search. You can't search within pages, search within a single folder/window, etc.

teaearlgraycold 3y ago

Seek help

charlie0 3y ago
I'm convinced the neurology of these people is setup in a way that they feel physically rewarded from combing through random hoarded stuff to find what they are looking for vs organizing things. It would make for an interesting scientific study as to why some users feel so compelled to keep so many tabs open. Is it FOMO, excellent recall (the only way I can see this being truly useful), or actual hoarding disorder gone digital??? As a person who has terrible short-term memory, I'm genuinely curious. I never hoard my tabs past a certain point 10-20 tabs, it actually slows me down in finding what I'm looking for. If I'm working on specific projects and need to save the tabs for later, I just use tab groups in Chrome and associate with a task so when I context switch, I just open up an existing tab group and close my other non-related ones. https://www.google.com/chrome/tips/#:~:text=You%20can%20group%20tabs%20to,Add%20Tab%20to%20new%20group https://www.google.com/chrome/tips/#:~:text=You%20can%20grou....
- Sakos 3y ago
  1) Why so judgmental? 2) As somebody with ADHD, there's an unacceptable level of mental overhead required for organizing things. I simply don't have any spare bandwidth to add organizing tabs into bookmarks and organizing bookmarks or whatever else into my daily functioning as a human being. It has nothing to do with feeling rewarded.
- teaearlgraycold 3y ago
  I don’t think it deserves that much armchair psychology. I was joking.