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> Is this what counts as "terrorist" supporter. Well, yes. Here's how. People who make arguments for "good Palestinians unrelated to Hamas" and for "ceasefir

> Is this what counts as "terrorist" supporter. Well, yes. Here's how. People who make arguments for "good Palestinians unrelated to Hamas" and for "ceasefire", against "humanitarian disaster" all very obviously blame Israel for harming those "good Palestinians" and not stopping firing etc. Which definitely helps Hamas and doesn't Help any Palestinians, nor Israelis. For the most part it's just stupidity of people uninvolved with the conflict who found it easy to believe a story of oppression by a superior military / economical power. This is also what pushes the idea of "Hamas not representing Palestinians". While, unfortunately, it does. But every Western society rejects this grim reality. Because admitting it would lead to asking very inconvenient questions, revision of previously established policies... basically, admitting to being stupid and being manipulated by some "Nigerian prince". Here's one example. Every political / military organization which wants to kill all Jews and establish Palestine "from the river to the sea" tries to legitimize this claim by appealing to UN's charter that warrants every nation the right to rule over themselves. In the case with Israel, there's what appears to be a conflicting resolution from the UN legitimizing Israeli state. While UN finds time to condemn Israel on a monthly basis, it could never find time to resolve this dispute. They'd have to go back and revisit this claim about every nation being able to rule themselves, amend it with some cases where that doesn't apply... but they are happy to sit on their hands, and the conflict keeps going. UNRWA is the same story: bad decision that keeps fueling the hatred, but UN will never admit they did something stupid, and will never reverse their decisions. So, back to blaming humanitarian disaster on Israel: Israel is as much responsible for the humanitarian disaster as the world's oceans are responsible for the rising sea level. Israel is playing its hand the best they can. But, they aren't the reason civilians are dying in Gaza. No more than gravity or the engineers who designed fighter jets. So, why is it surprising that Israel doesn't want to hear itself blamed for something that had no influence over? They are facing the same media device that's used by Americans who claim that "blue lives matter" -- a superficially innocent claim that, out of context could just mean that someone wants to support the police doing quite dangerous job, while, in reality, it's a reactionary stance that's meant to counteract the other sentiment: "black lives matter", instead of being used to actually help the police. People behind the tag of "SavePalestine" don't really want to save Palestine. They are manipulating public sentiment to be against Israel. Had they really want to save Palestine, they'd be appealing to the UN to cancel UNRWA, to work with Israel in declaring Gaza a "failed state", preventing Gaza from having its own government, military, courts etc. instead having some form of international government, blue helmets etc. take control for the next 3-5 decades at least.

alangibson 3y ago
To anyone taking this line of argument seriously, please Google "Nakba" and go from there.
- gustavus 3y ago
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- crabbone 3y ago
  The story doesn't start with "Nakba" though. For those who don't want to Google, this is the brief history leading up to this event: Turks rule over the territory of modern day Israel. It's part desert (Negev) part swamps. The land is pretty bad for agriculture, the locals are poor as dirt. Pretty much a place you'd call a "hole". Series of pogroms in Russian empire lead to, beside other things, a stream of Jewish refugees wanting to settle in this "hole" because of a tradition they kept for thousands years that called this "hole" their home. They want to buy land from the locals, when none in their right mind would. Many locals are tempted by the offer and the prospect of becoming city dwellers, wage workers... only to discover that nobody's going to hire them. They burn through the money they got from selling their land and sharply sink into even more abject poverty. Jews won't sell the land back, and even if they would, there's no money to buy it back. Jews also won't hire them. So locals need a way out. A bunch of landless peasants who have neither the skills nor finances to start new industrial life in the city. They start blaming the Jews for swindling them out of their properties. And, of course, there were also cases of Jews taking advantage of the locals, so, that reinforces the idea that Jews should be purged from their land. Comes World War I, Brits take over this territory, but they aren't really interested in solving the local disputes. They want order. So, whoever starts the fight gets a kick in the teeth from the occupational government. Arabs tend to get the short end of the stick more often. This leads Nazi Germans to side with the Arabs to mess with the Brits. Grand mufti gets great reception from Hitler, gets a title of honorary Aryan... picking up few other related ideas along the way. The nice mufti guy organizes the blockade of Jerusalem with the intention to starve all the Jews living there. Not to mention inspiring few other incidents leading up to Jewish deaths. Jews either appeal to Brits, or seeing how Brits aren't eager to step in, retaliate themselves. Comes the end of World War II, Brits finally had enough of the headache with this mess. Everyone feels like Jews need some kind of compensation for what happened to them during the war, so Brits push for the UN resolution legitimizing the Israeli state. Needless to mention the local Arabs are infuriated by this decision, since this would seal the fate of their lost lands forever. They go for an all-out war, but lose. This war and subsequent defeat is what today they call "Nakba" (catastrophe).

alangibson 3y ago

To anyone taking this line of argument seriously, please Google "Nakba" and go from there.

gustavus 3y ago
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crabbone 3y ago
The story doesn't start with "Nakba" though. For those who don't want to Google, this is the brief history leading up to this event: Turks rule over the territory of modern day Israel. It's part desert (Negev) part swamps. The land is pretty bad for agriculture, the locals are poor as dirt. Pretty much a place you'd call a "hole". Series of pogroms in Russian empire lead to, beside other things, a stream of Jewish refugees wanting to settle in this "hole" because of a tradition they kept for thousands years that called this "hole" their home. They want to buy land from the locals, when none in their right mind would. Many locals are tempted by the offer and the prospect of becoming city dwellers, wage workers... only to discover that nobody's going to hire them. They burn through the money they got from selling their land and sharply sink into even more abject poverty. Jews won't sell the land back, and even if they would, there's no money to buy it back. Jews also won't hire them. So locals need a way out. A bunch of landless peasants who have neither the skills nor finances to start new industrial life in the city. They start blaming the Jews for swindling them out of their properties. And, of course, there were also cases of Jews taking advantage of the locals, so, that reinforces the idea that Jews should be purged from their land. Comes World War I, Brits take over this territory, but they aren't really interested in solving the local disputes. They want order. So, whoever starts the fight gets a kick in the teeth from the occupational government. Arabs tend to get the short end of the stick more often. This leads Nazi Germans to side with the Arabs to mess with the Brits. Grand mufti gets great reception from Hitler, gets a title of honorary Aryan... picking up few other related ideas along the way. The nice mufti guy organizes the blockade of Jerusalem with the intention to starve all the Jews living there. Not to mention inspiring few other incidents leading up to Jewish deaths. Jews either appeal to Brits, or seeing how Brits aren't eager to step in, retaliate themselves. Comes the end of World War II, Brits finally had enough of the headache with this mess. Everyone feels like Jews need some kind of compensation for what happened to them during the war, so Brits push for the UN resolution legitimizing the Israeli state. Needless to mention the local Arabs are infuriated by this decision, since this would seal the fate of their lost lands forever. They go for an all-out war, but lose. This war and subsequent defeat is what today they call "Nakba" (catastrophe).