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Matter 1.2 – New device types and improvements
- alwillis 3y agoThere’s now support for robot vacuums, which is a big deal.
- pkulak 3y agoFirst Matter vacuum gets my business! I just bought a Matter thermostat on a whim (incentives took the price down to $10) and I'm really impressed. It integrated into Home Assistant in seconds after I scanned a QR code and now the local control is instant and flawless. My last thermostat could only integrate using a really complicated cloud auth process and commands only made it all the way to wherever and back to my house some of the time, and never in under a few seconds. Yes, Zigbee and ZWave have already done the work that Matter is attempting, but they both conflate the networking architecture with the API. We really do need a pure API that can work over WiFi, or anything else.
- bradstewart 3y agoWho makes the thermostat?
- pkulak 3y agoIt's the new Nest one, which isn't ideal since my old Nest was the one I hated, but it's the only Matter one, so...
- aksss 3y agoWhich therm did you get? Does it also measure humidity?
- pkulak 3y agoThe new Nest. Humidity is supported in the Google app, but not through Matter at the moment. No fan control either. I'm hoping that stuff gets added eventually, but I'll be fine even if not.
- adocomplete 3y agoStep in the right direction, but I wonder what's taking so long on getting support for cameras. That's my biggest use case at the moment. Having a bunch of Nest cameras that don't natively incorporate with HomeKit and having to do all sorts of work arounds to get a still generally crappy experience is killing my excitement for the smart home. And I won't buy new ones until they support Matter and there is true interoperability.
- boromi 3y agoCame here to make the same comment. It seems like we are going to be waiting a while for video.
- malfist 3y agoProbably the same reason video is always hard, there's 7 million codecs. Might also be privacy
- brigade 3y agoI seriously doubt there’s a single camera supporting Apple/Google/Amazon integration that doesn’t support H.264 plus AAC
- supergeek133 3y agoEven between Google and Amazon you have different streaming support (Amazon is RTSPS, Google is WebRTC)
- throw0101a 3y ago> Probably the same reason video is always hard, there's 7 million codecs. ONVIF has specifications/profiles for management, functionality, and codecs (S and T): * https://www.onvif.org/profiles-add-ons-specifications/ https://www.onvif.org/profiles-add-ons-specifications/ * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ONVIF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ONVIF
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- varun_chopra 3y agoDoes anyone know if Matter is being embraced by companies working on home automation products? I'm in India and it seems that the ecosystem is really garbage -- some devices work with Alexa, some with Google, and very little work with _all_ major providers (and I'm an Apple user). Is it better in other countries?
- mholm 3y agoMatter was finalized fairly recently in hardware timescales. It's not better anywhere just yet, though I'm expecting we'll see quite a few expensive Matter devices start coming from the major players, then trickle down to the non-discerning customers as they get cheaper.
- 2Gkashmiri 3y agoHave attempted to look at a lot of stuff but all revolve around their servers having to approve anything. I remember a power strip that refused to work wothout internet because it could not communicate with server for auth and actions. I have decided to go full diy and use relays and esp32 to power on devices and such. Use raspberry pis with home assistant to do the work.
- supergeek133 3y agoFor some products it is a horsepower/memory problem, depending on the device you're building. If you work for traditional thermostat company that happens to also build connected ones, adding Matter on top of other things required a lot of memory and microcontroller improvements that we just didn't have the space for previously. Especially when half your company does nothing but drive cost out of the BOM. So, it's net new product. Now a security panel on the other hand should be a little easier.. the modern ones are basically linux boxes.
- MisterBiggs 3y agoIn hindsight it makes sense but I never would have guessed that device types are hard coded by the protocol.
- minitoar 3y agoYeah it’s like a collection of defined interfaces that share a common paradigm.
- yetihehe 3y agoIt makes perfect sense, otherwise you end up with devices like "light", "lamp" and "bulb" which could all have the same functionality, but all require different implementations because manufacturers could not communicate between themselves.
- emgeee 3y agoCool update, really excited to get native support for air quality measurements here
- jauntywundrkind 3y agoThis seemed exceedingly notable to me: > Device & Endpoint Composition – Devices can now be hierarchically composed from complex endpoints allowing for accurate modeling of appliances, multi-unit switches, and multi-light fixtures.
- PurpleRamen 3y agoAs I remember, Matter is using blockchain for doing something with their certifications. Does anyone know more about this? What they do there and whether this legitimate usage or just some case of buzzword-bingo?
- MaKey 3y agoHere you go: https://matter-smarthome.de/en/benefits/benefits-of-matter-4-security-and-privacy https://matter-smarthome.de/en/benefits/benefits-of-matter-4...
- riedel 3y agoAlso: https://github.com/zigbee-alliance/distributed-compliance-ledger https://github.com/zigbee-alliance/distributed-compliance-le...
- JumpCrisscross 3y agoAs I understand it, there is no tradable token, it’s literally just a shared database.
- ArchOversight 3y agoWhich is exactly what Blockchain is good at.
- justinsaccount 3y agoIs there a SIMPLE way to have a small python or go program act as a "switch" that shows up in Google home? The last time I tried looking at the matter stuff even checking out the git repo required gigabytes of storage and it seemed the opposite of simple.
- CharlesW 3y ago> Is there a SIMPLE way to have a small python or go program act as a "switch" that shows up in Google home? You can create virtual devices using Homebridge plug-ins. Here's an example: https://www.npmjs.com/package/homebridge-dummy https://www.npmjs.com/package/homebridge-dummy
- justinsaccount 3y agoYes, that would be useful if I used homekit...
- CharlesW 3y agoYou don’t need to use HomeKit for this to work, but you will need https://github.com/oznu/homebridge-gsh https://github.com/oznu/homebridge-gsh. (Caveat: I haven’t tried this myself since I use HomeKit and Alexa devices.)
- justinsaccount 3y agoOh, now that is interesting. The requirement for "insecure mode" is a bit scary sounding, but for what I want to control, it shouldn't matter.
- justinsaccount 3y agoOh.. less interesting how that I see how it works. I thought this would be a local thing, but it apparently connects to some third party service: // establish new websocket connection const socket = new WebSocket(`wss://homebridge-gsh.iot.oz.nu/socket?${querystring.stringify(qs)}`); big YIKES from me there, especially because this is not really documented or even mentioned at all.
- Inviz 3y agoI wish CANOpen took off, what a world it would be.
- RecycledEle 3y agoELI5: Matter is a "unified approach to IOT development" IOT = Internet of Things http://www.silabs.com/wireless/matter http://www.silabs.com/wireless/matter
- JumpCrisscross 3y agoDo high-end appliance makers like Miele, Bosch and Sub-Zero have Matter on their roadmaps? (Also, how do I search for Matter without dredging up the entire internet?)
- greyskull 3y agoOff-topic, but what's with the strange font in the image at the top of the article? I see it's based off of the "csa" logo. I can't explain why but it's almost uncomfortable to read it with those connected glyphs.
- jamesbvaughan 3y agoI'd guess that it's Space Grotesk with those extra bits added manually. https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Space+Grotesk https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Space+Grotesk
- dataminded 3y agoIt is still very hard to find matter devices. We wanted recessed downlights and ended up with Zigbee. My air conditioner just died, would be great if a matter compatible one became available.
- woleium 3y agoWhat did you pick? I’m looking at the moment..
- dataminded 3y agoHue -- it was the only option that felt 'mature' and well supported. We got a really great price on them and accept that we may swap them out in 3-5 years.
- Shish2k 3y agoI’ve been looking too, and the more research I do, the more it looks like the best idea is to get regular dimmable bulbs + zigbee dimmer switches - that’s generally going to be simpler and more reliable, the main downside being lack of any colour temperature / RGB support :(
- dataminded 3y agoWe tried this first in one room and couldn't get the bulbs with the range that we wanted. Hue really stood out in how dark and bright they could get. The RGB also ended up being much more useful than we thought.
- deadmutex 3y ago> My air conditioner just died, would be great if a matter compatible one became available. What would you want the API to look like here? I would be very conservative about opening up an API if I was a manufacturer. The reason being that there may be misuses by amateur coders that may increase wear on the product, and leading to increase in warranty claims. I, as a manufacturer, would much rather prefer customers buy something like a Nest/Ecobee, etc. and manage that. Nest (and likely Ecobee) likely have smarts to not turn the AC on/off 30 times within 10 minutes, etc. Also, you benefit from other algorithms like "Time-to-Temp" (Nest), malfunctioning equipment alerts (Nest), etc. If you're in the US, many electricity utilities will give you a discount if you buy a smart thermostat, and then you can further gain $$ by enrolling in demand-response programs.
- SirMaster 3y agoThis still feels like: https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/
- willio58 3y agoGood xkcd there, but Matter does seem to have industry acceptance at this point. Apple's support for it in Homekit was huge, and other companies have followed suit. Competing standards will always exist, but buy-in is really key. You can have a worse standard and as long as you have buy-in, you can call it a success.
- ljm 3y agoI wish I could use Hue's silly RGB colour loop mode over this now, but it's still hidden behind a labs experiment. (Connecting to HomeKit via Matter has actually been smoother than using the Hue app)
- ratiolat 3y agoI wonder when Ikea's Dirigera https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/dirigera-hub-for-smart-products-white-smart-50503414/ https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/dirigera-hub-for-smart-products... is getting Matter support. Have been waiting for ages now
- 0x000xca0xfe 3y agoIs this a paper launch or did they stop working in the open? Just look at the dishwasher example[1]: It is a lazy copy of the Lamp example. They couldn't even be bothered to fix the title. The rest of the source code is as good as empty and was not updated in months. [1] https://github.com/project-chip/connectedhomeip/tree/master/examples/dishwasher-app/linux https://github.com/project-chip/connectedhomeip/tree/master/...
- Shish2k 3y agoAir purifiers and robot vacuums, but still no "power socket” device type?? (There is “binary switch”, which is what my Matter power sockets expose - but the measurements that I actually care about (total kWh, volts, amps, frequency, etc) are only exposed via the company’s proprietary app which runs in parallel “because there is no way of exposing these via Matter” :( )
- braincode 3y agoNo support for (3-phase) power metering yet :/
- tmd83 3y agoIs there anything similar for healthcare IoT? It seems most products have their own App and Backend to share the data and nothing remotely close to universal.