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Its even worse than dot bomb (2000-2004) however is it all github copilot eating these jobs? I think some, but also with the success with remote work I image mo

Its even worse than dot bomb (2000-2004) however is it all github copilot eating these jobs? I think some, but also with the success with remote work I image most roles were simply sent out of the US, and could be an outsourced team with extra help from copilot and other tools.

shams93 3y ago
Basically I went back to school to be a pharmacy tech because it seems like a hopeless job market after looking hopelessly for 18 months even after having survived as a web developer since 1995.
- Mountain_Skies 3y ago
  And companies will still swear up and down that they can't find talent at any price even as talent streams out of the industry to other fields due to being snubbed.
- ripvanwinkle 3y ago
  There's also ageism at play
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    crazy that they claim to want 10+ years experience but also won't entertain the idea of a 20+ year old veteran. Where are all these mid-30's (assumedly) principles and staff engineers coming from, especially since no one wants to invest in junior engineers the past decade.
    - lobsterthief 3y ago
      To be fair, some mid-30s have 20 years of web dev experience. Others have a “lot” of experience because of the quality of the experience gained over a shorter period of time. Some have even fall into both camps.
  - KingMob 3y ago
    Heh, username checks out
add-sub-mul-div 3y ago
> however is it all github copilot eating these jobs? Short answer: No. Long answer: No, and it's wild you think this might be the case.
- Der_Einzige 3y ago
  You're delusional if you think that the rise of Generative AI hasn't been a factor in the relative difficulty of finding a job today.
  - add-sub-mul-div 3y ago
    I believe it's taking jobs/gigs from creatives, and that we've unfortunately only seen the start of it. But I don't believe it will affect software engineers nearly the same way.
    - ProllyInfamous 3y ago
      SWEs utilizing [e.g. tools like] Co-Pilot will rapidly replace formerly dozens-large teams to perhaps just a handful [IMHO: optimistically]. I personally believe, at-present, it is unethical to not utilize LLM systems for underserved legal and medical populations. Here in the US, that is at least a small majority. To not be personally accessing these systems already will cost you thou$and$.
  - jackblemming 3y ago
    Alright, post the data then.
  - ajmurmann 3y ago
    How do you think the work is getting done now? Are currently employed developers so much faster with GenAI that you need fewer? Are product managers just doing implementation themselves with Copilot?
  - SkyPuncher 3y ago
    Copilot makes me work faster, but it’s not replacing me by any means.
DoesntMatter22 3y ago
Most of it is the end of free money, super low interest rates, and companies realizing that an unending war for talent isn't needed. More companies are focusing on on making a profit.
gedy 3y ago
> Its even worse than dot bomb (2000-2004) I don't know about that, companies were imploding left and right overnight. Stocks losing 99% of "value" etc. With that said, this is the worse I've seen since that time, but really can't say it's worse than dot com meltdown.

shams93 3y ago

Basically I went back to school to be a pharmacy tech because it seems like a hopeless job market after looking hopelessly for 18 months even after having survived as a web developer since 1995.

Mountain_Skies 3y ago
And companies will still swear up and down that they can't find talent at any price even as talent streams out of the industry to other fields due to being snubbed.
ripvanwinkle 3y ago
There's also ageism at play
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  crazy that they claim to want 10+ years experience but also won't entertain the idea of a 20+ year old veteran. Where are all these mid-30's (assumedly) principles and staff engineers coming from, especially since no one wants to invest in junior engineers the past decade.
  - lobsterthief 3y ago
    To be fair, some mid-30s have 20 years of web dev experience. Others have a “lot” of experience because of the quality of the experience gained over a shorter period of time. Some have even fall into both camps.
- KingMob 3y ago
  Heh, username checks out

add-sub-mul-div 3y ago

> however is it all github copilot eating these jobs? Short answer: No. Long answer: No, and it's wild you think this might be the case.

Der_Einzige 3y ago
You're delusional if you think that the rise of Generative AI hasn't been a factor in the relative difficulty of finding a job today.
- add-sub-mul-div 3y ago
  I believe it's taking jobs/gigs from creatives, and that we've unfortunately only seen the start of it. But I don't believe it will affect software engineers nearly the same way.
  - ProllyInfamous 3y ago
    SWEs utilizing [e.g. tools like] Co-Pilot will rapidly replace formerly dozens-large teams to perhaps just a handful [IMHO: optimistically]. I personally believe, at-present, it is unethical to not utilize LLM systems for underserved legal and medical populations. Here in the US, that is at least a small majority. To not be personally accessing these systems already will cost you thou$and$.
- jackblemming 3y ago
  Alright, post the data then.
- ajmurmann 3y ago
  How do you think the work is getting done now? Are currently employed developers so much faster with GenAI that you need fewer? Are product managers just doing implementation themselves with Copilot?
- SkyPuncher 3y ago
  Copilot makes me work faster, but it’s not replacing me by any means.

DoesntMatter22 3y ago

Most of it is the end of free money, super low interest rates, and companies realizing that an unending war for talent isn't needed. More companies are focusing on on making a profit.

gedy 3y ago

> Its even worse than dot bomb (2000-2004) I don't know about that, companies were imploding left and right overnight. Stocks losing 99% of "value" etc. With that said, this is the worse I've seen since that time, but really can't say it's worse than dot com meltdown.