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Despite claims to the contrary, I haven't really seen evidence of this with Tesla. The giga casts have pretty conventional crush structures ahead and behind the

by _ea1k 3y ago

Despite claims to the contrary, I haven't really seen evidence of this with Tesla. The giga casts have pretty conventional crush structures ahead and behind them. It seems like the kind of crashes that'd cause massive costs are big enough to be massively costly either way. The Rivian case is a bit of a head scratcher. They made some truly odd choices that are making fairly simple repairs much harder than necessary. It is obvious they are new to this.

skullone 3y ago
First to market, but with beginner mistakes. I'll wait for a more mature EV truck myself. I want a simple box frame, with a body on frame, nothing fancy. Just pure utilitarian EV truck like a base F150 but with a battery.
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  I've heard that EV trucks are mostly unibodies given the structure they need to protect and support the battery underneath. But I think the F-150 lightning is simple body on frame (as you said, although I think you are confused that this doesn't exist yet?), and the new Silverado EV will be neither unibody nor body on frame, whatever that means.
  - bluGill 3y ago
    Unibody and body on frame have different pros and cons. Most people buying a truck want a unibody. The F150 lightening is only available in the crew cab version - you can get cars with as much cargo space. If you are actually hauling heavy things, or towing a trailer then a frame is strong and better able to handle that. However if you are only hauling people with some light luggage then a unibody is plenty strong and betters resists twisting forces making for a nicer ride.
- _ea1k 3y ago
  I think F-150 Lightning is the closest to what you are looking for. But it has its own type of beginner's mistakes with the batteries. The charge curve isn't great, if that matters to you.
- xeromal 3y ago
  I'm in the same boat with you. I want a truck or SUV to replace my 2003 LX470 (Land Cruiser) but aside from the body on frame construction, I really need a 500 mile battery. The 320 mile EPA extended range lightning loses about 64 miles of range from the recommended battery boundaries (don't charge above 90% or below 10%) and probably at least another 10%-20% loss from the high torque required offroading and the fact you'd probably never use regenerative braking since there's a lot more technique involved leaves you with about 200 miles of actual range. Throw on a roof top tent and some camping gear in the back and you probably have less and you have to account for the lack of jerry cans that can help you in a pinch if your planned mileage is increased from a bridge that's out or closed trail. I really want an electric SUV or truck to replace my main rig but some of the locations I go to are just too dangerous to run out of juice with. I think in about 5 years a dream rig of mine will be on the horizon
- hunter-gatherer 3y ago
  I wanted a B2 bollinger, and still love the concept. As a work truck, this has some features that would save me hassle. Also like the simplicity. But last I checked the cost was over 100k, which blew me away.
owenwil 3y ago
It is fairly expensive to fix a Tesla panel too. I received a small dent on our trunk thanks to a driver nudging it while parked and it cost $8,800 to fix just that panel.

by _ea1k 3y ago

skullone 3y ago

First to market, but with beginner mistakes. I'll wait for a more mature EV truck myself. I want a simple box frame, with a body on frame, nothing fancy. Just pure utilitarian EV truck like a base F150 but with a battery.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
I've heard that EV trucks are mostly unibodies given the structure they need to protect and support the battery underneath. But I think the F-150 lightning is simple body on frame (as you said, although I think you are confused that this doesn't exist yet?), and the new Silverado EV will be neither unibody nor body on frame, whatever that means.
- bluGill 3y ago
  Unibody and body on frame have different pros and cons. Most people buying a truck want a unibody. The F150 lightening is only available in the crew cab version - you can get cars with as much cargo space. If you are actually hauling heavy things, or towing a trailer then a frame is strong and better able to handle that. However if you are only hauling people with some light luggage then a unibody is plenty strong and betters resists twisting forces making for a nicer ride.
_ea1k 3y ago
I think F-150 Lightning is the closest to what you are looking for. But it has its own type of beginner's mistakes with the batteries. The charge curve isn't great, if that matters to you.
xeromal 3y ago
I'm in the same boat with you. I want a truck or SUV to replace my 2003 LX470 (Land Cruiser) but aside from the body on frame construction, I really need a 500 mile battery. The 320 mile EPA extended range lightning loses about 64 miles of range from the recommended battery boundaries (don't charge above 90% or below 10%) and probably at least another 10%-20% loss from the high torque required offroading and the fact you'd probably never use regenerative braking since there's a lot more technique involved leaves you with about 200 miles of actual range. Throw on a roof top tent and some camping gear in the back and you probably have less and you have to account for the lack of jerry cans that can help you in a pinch if your planned mileage is increased from a bridge that's out or closed trail. I really want an electric SUV or truck to replace my main rig but some of the locations I go to are just too dangerous to run out of juice with. I think in about 5 years a dream rig of mine will be on the horizon
hunter-gatherer 3y ago
I wanted a B2 bollinger, and still love the concept. As a work truck, this has some features that would save me hassle. Also like the simplicity. But last I checked the cost was over 100k, which blew me away.

owenwil 3y ago

It is fairly expensive to fix a Tesla panel too. I received a small dent on our trunk thanks to a driver nudging it while parked and it cost $8,800 to fix just that panel.