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Just be careful not to dent quarter panels on a rivian. It’s something like $40k to replace. Normally a $2k-$3k job on any other pick up truck. These car compa
by codeTired 3y ago
Just be careful not to dent quarter panels on a rivian. It’s something like $40k to replace. Normally a $2k-$3k job on any other pick up truck.
These car companies suck when it becomes to repairability.
Edit: I’m not going to argue with naysayers below, this dude was quoted $41k but was able to PDR(https://www.thedrive.com/news/41000-rivian-fender-bender-actually-just-needed-paintless-dent-removal https://www.thedrive.com/news/41000-rivian-fender-bender-act...). Tesla repairs with giga casting are also a lot more expensive than similar “regular” cars. This isn’t an issue of unibody design. My family owned a body shop and I painted cars for few years.
I will stick with main stream brands like Toyota.
- almost_usual 3y agoYeah, insurance will not pick that up if it was caused while off roading. I’m guessing taking your Rivian off road will also void the warranty. If you off road it’s good to know how to repair your rig.
- codeTired 3y agoIt’s best to off-road in a reasonably built car, like a Land Cruiser or a bronco.
- mikeryan 3y agoIt won’t void your warranty. The Rivian was designed, and is, an incredibly competent off road vehicle. It literally has an Off-Road drive mode with 4 different setups within it and a built in air compressor in the truck need for adjusting your tire pressure when you take it off road.
- almost_usual 3y ago> It won’t void your warranty. Wow, that is truly surprising. I’d be more worried about the driver if I were Rivian? What stops someone from driving through a creek and submerging their truck? Damaging their undercarriage on a rock? Sliding into a tree? etc. > The Rivian was designed, and is, an incredibly competent off road vehicle. It looks like it doesn’t have locking differentials but that’s usually overkill. > It literally has an Off-Road drive mode with 4 different setups within it I’ll need to read more about the “Off Road” drive modes. It sounds similar to the Tacoma’s “Crawl Control”. > a built in air compressor in the truck need for adjusting your tire pressure when you take it off road. An air compressor is nice but you can pick up a Tsunami Air Compressor and a tire deflator for like $130.
- wkipling 3y agoOff-road cars have limitations. I'll bet the Rivian just like other 4wds will have a maximum wading depth for water crossings.
- defrost 3y agoIf the door seals are good there's not a maximum wading depth, rather a maximum time paddle boating in water before seals give way | river current moves the 4x4 too far. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC5ld79joIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC5ld79joIA Note that the Land Cruiser is bouyant in the water and not touching ground.
- arjvik 3y agoHow did the driver turn??
- defrost 3y agoBack wheels spinning in water create weak driving force forward. Front wheels can turn and provide rudimentary front rudder effect wrt force from rear wheels pushing forward. If 4xwheel drive was engaged the front wheels wouls also be driven and provide a "clawing forwards" directional force. It's not the ideal boat, but it floats and works up to a point (as seen). With the engine weight forward it's entirely possible the front wheels were occassionally touching down when over the pan of the crossing. When the vehichle went to the left of the crossing it's unlikely the front wheels had any contact as the crossing (unflooded) is typically higher than the river bed on either side.
- 83 3y agoLooks to me like mostly momentum and current carried him to a spot where his front tires touched bottom at which point he was able to spin around. He was pretty adrift until he hit that spot.
- threeio 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T21njN2HJgY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T21njN2HJgY
- caseyf7 3y agoRivian insurance covers off-road use.
- Retric 3y agoProbably closer to 8-14k if you’re not willing to leave the dent. The famed 42k bill was for a rear end collision that caused more damage than it looked like. Cars are much safer today but crumple zones mean minor fender benders result in huge repair bills. However, they are also a major part of the 90+% reduction in vehicle fatalities per mile over the last 100 years. “They took the R1T to a certified Rivian body shop who said the entire rear quarter panel, as well as some tailgate internals, needed replacing. The total cost of replacing an entire body panel and some tailgate bits was reportedly just over $14,000.” https://www.thedrive.com/news/rivian-r1t-fender-bender-turns-into-42000-repair-bill https://www.thedrive.com/news/rivian-r1t-fender-bender-turns...
- Moto7451 3y agoI was rear ended about 8 years ago. I was in a lane that is parking most of the day (like when I stopped) and no stopping/anti-congestion during rush hour. My Camaro was hit by a person traveling at least at the 45MPH speed limit. They were on their phone and thankfully were so angry they unintentionally confessed it all to the police office taking the report. I ended up not paying a cent to fix the car, but I did get a copy of the bill. All in all the cost to repair it was in excess of $18,000 from a third party shop that didn’t do a great job on the finish. That was only $5k less than the Kelly Bluebook value for my car at that point in time. In short, it costs a lot to repair crash damage. That’s something people probably don’t think about too deeply if they have comprehensive coverage and pay just their deductible.
- codeTired 3y agoA dent is much different than a 45mph crash. At that speed you have to replace half of the car. We have done those at our shop on an occasion. It’s rare as it’s a pricy repair.
- Moto7451 3y agoIt actually wasn’t far off from the “one panel” as the 5th Gen Camaro has a long panel that stretches from the bumper to the tip of the A Pillar. Otherwise it was a bumper cover, crash structure (which is disposable above 10MPH) and a trunk lid. The biggest cost was the panel.
- bastawhiz 3y ago$40k is just incorrect. My buddy did exactly this and he's facing a bill of $14k. Which is still outrageous, but like three times less.
- holoduke 3y agoI bought my 20 year old infiniti for 14k, 10 years ago. I think most people will be in serious issues when they suffer a 14k bill for a fender. I think if do a large overhaul including a full repaint on my car it would cost less than 14k
- fkyoureadthedoc 3y agoMost people will just suffer the insurance deductible though.
- bdavisx 3y agoIf your vehicle costs that much for a "simple" repair you're going to be suffering from expensive insurance too.
- AshleyGrant 3y agoSo... pretty much everyone these days?
- smcl 3y agoIt's a third of $40k, "three times less" than $40k would be -$80k
- dag11 3y ago"X times less" is actually a technically meaningless statement, but colloquially would mean 1/X. There's nothing to be gained by being pedantic over that
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- gnicholas 3y agoDoes this mean they are incredibly expensive to insure?
- rokkitmensch 3y agoA buddy close to underwriting heaves giant sighs and mutters darkly when anyone in his book of individual policies wants to insure one because yes.
- reducesuffering 3y agoIs that because after barely scraping by $80k or an $800/mth payment, they freak out why there’s another $300/mth?
- guhidalg 3y agoWell at least the first two are paying for an asset, whereas the insurance payments are paying for something nebulous that you may or may not need. The ideal insurance premium is $0/month.
- seattle_spring 3y agoEr... I own one and it is maybe 10% more to insure than my previous Subaru.
- gnicholas 3y agoHow is that possible, just given the sheer cost difference? Or is most of your insurance policy covering liability (for if you hit other people), as opposed to the risk of damage to your own car?
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- jinushaun 3y agoIt’s true. They are surprisingly cheap to insure. The current theory is that they are new and insurance companies don’t have enough data yet. Everyone expects rates to skyrocket as more $40k repair bills come in.
- _ea1k 3y agoDespite claims to the contrary, I haven't really seen evidence of this with Tesla. The giga casts have pretty conventional crush structures ahead and behind them. It seems like the kind of crashes that'd cause massive costs are big enough to be massively costly either way. The Rivian case is a bit of a head scratcher. They made some truly odd choices that are making fairly simple repairs much harder than necessary. It is obvious they are new to this.
- skullone 3y agoFirst to market, but with beginner mistakes. I'll wait for a more mature EV truck myself. I want a simple box frame, with a body on frame, nothing fancy. Just pure utilitarian EV truck like a base F150 but with a battery.
- seanmcdirmid 3y agoI've heard that EV trucks are mostly unibodies given the structure they need to protect and support the battery underneath. But I think the F-150 lightning is simple body on frame (as you said, although I think you are confused that this doesn't exist yet?), and the new Silverado EV will be neither unibody nor body on frame, whatever that means.
- bluGill 3y agoUnibody and body on frame have different pros and cons. Most people buying a truck want a unibody. The F150 lightening is only available in the crew cab version - you can get cars with as much cargo space. If you are actually hauling heavy things, or towing a trailer then a frame is strong and better able to handle that. However if you are only hauling people with some light luggage then a unibody is plenty strong and betters resists twisting forces making for a nicer ride.
- _ea1k 3y agoI think F-150 Lightning is the closest to what you are looking for. But it has its own type of beginner's mistakes with the batteries. The charge curve isn't great, if that matters to you.
- wise_young_man 3y agoWhat does this have to do with them winning a contest? It comes across as argument baiting.
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- codeTired 3y agoGood thing to keep in mind imo.
- aitchnyu 3y agoIf car bumpers are made immune to parking lot speed hits, will they necessarily be worse at crash safety? Looking at how 4m cars have more complex bodies than older Porsches and pack lights at each corner of the bumpers.
- dagurp 3y agoIt's s truck, leave the dents alone : - )
- thathndude 3y agoI’m a Rivian reservation holder, since June 2021. Likely going to pass on my reservation. But, make no mistake, I’m pro-Rivian, and am on the Rivian subreddit. Rivian owners and fans are quick to jump on any valid criticism of their beloved Rivian and downvote contrary thought into oblivion. Not surprised you’re getting hate for valid feedback.
- thelastgallon 3y ago> These car companies suck when it becomes to repairability. > I will stick with main stream brands like Toyota. Even if this is true (which is unlikely, the first reply says 8K - 12K, the truth is a lot more nuanced), the question we must ask is why do cars crash into each other? We must require all manufacturers to have Vehicle to Vehicle communication (beacons with chips and smarts are incredibly cheap) so they never crash into each other. Car accidents are the biggest cause of death until late 50s (then cardio vascular, etc become the biggest cause). Modern emergency medicine is incredibly good, there are a huge number of people disabled and injured (but alive!) from car accidents. IN 2021, 42,939 deaths[1]. If we just add up this decade (2020 - 2030), we are looking at 400K preventable deaths. Consider the injured and damaged vehicles. In 2019: 36,500 people, injured 4.5 million, and damaged 23 million vehicles[2]. In a decade (2020 - 2030), we are looking at 400K deaths, 45 million injuries and 230 million car repairs. And, this is just in US. Worldwide numbers are probably 10x! Body shop repairs are the costliest repairs even for minor scratches and dents. A car is a machine, the safe operation and liability should be on the manufacturers. Legacy car manufacturers are criminally negligent, they don't know how to do software or electronics. New electric companies, they have a lot of young talent in software+electronics, can build the V2V capabilities to make a car safer. [1] https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state-by-state https://www.iihs.org/topics/fatality-statistics/detail/state... [2] https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/traffic-crashes-cost-america-billions-2019 https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/traffic-crashes-cost-am...
- dagmx 3y agoToyota are also looking into switching to single casting bodies, so your comment both includes a fallacy and misinformation.
- gdubs 3y agoI'm curious how they hold up. Because, IRL, the Rivian is a beautiful vehicle, but the body has always struck me as 'precious' and for the kind of things I want a truck for, I'd be really hesitant to mess it up. By contrast, and old mid-90s pickup has the kinda body that a ding or two or ten isn't going to look all that terrible on.