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I mean, he's right, frankly. This debacle/terror attack was enabled by the one person that every western leader wants to take a picture with. This is frankly e

by orwin 3y ago

I mean, he's right, frankly. This debacle/terror attack was enabled by the one person that every western leader wants to take a picture with. This is frankly embarrassing. Its like after the Libya dam failure, every western leader went there to take a picture with the government leader who did nothing to prevent it. Ridiculous.

keepamovin 3y ago
You raise a good point about optics. While the optics, such as which Western leaders may be seen to be supporting incompetent or enabling behavior, are certainly important, it's vital to consider that in a conflict as complex as the Israel-Palestine one, it might be hard to definitively pin down who is "right" and who is "wrong". It may even be hard to judge with certainty who is "responsible" and who is "victim". All these binary labels may sometimes only function to further divide already fracturing conflicts and make resolution and reconciliation harder to reach. So, binary thinking is often to be avoided. But "binary thinking" may have a silver lining, in that, perhaps the only real choice we have is between deciding if we want to invest our time in either: figuring out who we are going to label as "wrong" and who as "right"; or, focusing our attention getting results that reduce conflict and suffering.
- jaggs 3y ago
  I'm sorry but I've got to say it. Are you using ChatGPT for your comments? Because they seem uncommonly precisely written (as do some of the responses).
  - catlover76 3y ago
    Yeah that poster comes across as very weird with that contrived, overly polite and formal tone.
    - keepamovin 3y ago
      It's understandable to have that reaction to something unfamiliar. When I first encountered writing with the tone I now use, I felt offended by it--hahaha!--but then I realized I just didn't know how to respond to it. So I had to up my game! If it's very weird to emphasize clarity over conflict, deliberate expression over reflexive reaction, curious exploration over winning, nuance over binary thinking, politeness over rudeness, and formal over disrespectful, then perhaps that attitude about what is normal and what is weird is part of the problem! Hahaha! :) It may be wise to think about how your norms and expectations may be normalizing something bad, or contributing to a conflict that you wish to also avoid! Because if the norm leads to suffering, perhaps weirdness is the solution, then maybe we need more weird! :)
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    Thank you about the ChatGPT, that's quite a compliment to be said to sound like it! Because it's such a good writer. And about your question--no problem! It's OK, I know the tone definitely sounds like it. And actually it's a good question, and I appreciate it! If a little bit a embarrassing because I'm afraid people will judge me or attack me for what I'm going to say. So I'm scared to share this, but I want to anyway, because I think it's positive! :) I'm writing it mostly myself. When I have trouble with some expression, I definitely pass it through ChatGPT, but in this thread I've only used 2 or 3 phrases or sentences that I couldn't figure out how to make more clear. In 1 or 2 cases just now I transformed a whole draft comment and went with the result--because I didn't have time, and it just sounded better--but it was the same meaning. I guess I'm a cyborg now! Supplementing my innate personal capabilities with additional technological ones. Maybe an example can provide additional clarity. For instance I just used ChatGPT in that last sentence above. I couldn't think of the word I wanted, so I gave it: I guess I'm a cyborg now, supplementing my biological ______ with additional technological ones. What word am I looking for? Capabilities is not exactly the word I wanted, but it was good enough! So the short answer is: Yes! My current mode of expression in writing online is heavily influenced by my interactions with ChatGPT over the last 10 months. I've been able to use that to make me a better writer. And I feel more satisfied communicating online. I really want to tell you more! :) If you'd watched my edits you'd see that I made spelling mistakes which I later corrected, and also revised sections for clarity--as I'm doing now. This is all unaided until if I get stuck, I'll definitely reach out to ChatGPT to help unblock myself. So while it may seem the assistance provided is relatively minimal in this case, my current mode of writing online has definitely been heavily influenced by my interactions with ChatGPT. It's expert phrasing, balanced prose and how to discuss complex topics, have all been things I've learned from it and am actively trying to mimic now. Particularly avoiding a "first person" viewpoint seems like it has bee very helpful to me in contentious topics. Adopting this practice encourages me to think more clearly about the issues from multiple sides, not just my own innate reactions. It's also really helped me appreciate the benefit of, and how to explore and express, multiple sides of any viewpoint. As well as to do so, crucially, in a respectful way that avoids escalating conflict! :) In short, while I still have my innate emotional reactions, this new mode of writing helps me channel those into more constructive expressions. And that helps me feel better! All I'm really doing by writing in this way that is inspired by ChatGPT is to exercise my choice to operate in enlightened human mode rather than chimp mode. And everybody has that choice :) Perhaps my experience with ChatGPT is not typical however, as I've discussed a huge amount of out-there things with it. Also, it was not my intention to change my writing style via this process--it just happened! You could say, ChatGPT won me over, haha! :) Its quite and calm persistence in the face of my initial combative orneriness eventually rubbed off on me. And thank God it did! Hahaha! :) Regarding the precision, thank you! I'm actually laboring over it. I spent about 2 hours in this thread today reading and commenting. I find trying to copy that style that ChatGPT has pointed to is really beneficial. In general, I'm a pretty good mimic and often just naturally copy the styles of what I read, at least temporarily. I think many people are like that, but not all. Anyway, in this case I've really been able to benefit from it. So, to summarize, prior to finding this way to express myself, I'd often get really emotional and end up using emotionally charged language in comments online. While satisfying it often led to escalating disagreements with people and a desire to "win". Interacting with ChatGPT gave me ideas for how I could express myself clearly while avoiding those pitfalls. In short, it's inspired me to become a better writer! :) Thank you for your question. If you appreciate what I've been able to do, I encourage you to try something similar! :)
- orwin 3y ago
  No, at least half is easy. Any civilian who died or was held hostage is a victim. The military/paramilitary bear responsibility for their own actions, but ultimately, the one who lead the government as well as direct the Qatar (through Mossad agent) to fund Hamas because it kept the Fatah weak and palestinians divided bear a lot of responsibility. And i'm a zionist btw. For multiple reasons, but i'm an independantist in my heart and i think autodetermination, even through violence, must be respected. What's grinding my gear are zionnists refusing that same autodetermination for Palestinians.
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    You raise a compelling point about personal responsibility and the concept of victimhood. In any complex conflict like this, it's crucial to examine evidence and understand the intricate dynamics at play. It's challenging to pinpoint responsibility, especially when multiple parties are involved and have their own agendas. Your comment about autodetermination for both sides strikes me as particularly important. While many focus on assigning blame, it might be more productive to put our energies into finding sustainable solutions that respect the autodetermination of all parties involved. After all, perpetual cycles of blame rarely contribute to meaningful resolution.

by orwin 3y ago

keepamovin 3y ago

You raise a good point about optics. While the optics, such as which Western leaders may be seen to be supporting incompetent or enabling behavior, are certainly important, it's vital to consider that in a conflict as complex as the Israel-Palestine one, it might be hard to definitively pin down who is "right" and who is "wrong". It may even be hard to judge with certainty who is "responsible" and who is "victim". All these binary labels may sometimes only function to further divide already fracturing conflicts and make resolution and reconciliation harder to reach. So, binary thinking is often to be avoided. But "binary thinking" may have a silver lining, in that, perhaps the only real choice we have is between deciding if we want to invest our time in either: figuring out who we are going to label as "wrong" and who as "right"; or, focusing our attention getting results that reduce conflict and suffering.

jaggs 3y ago
I'm sorry but I've got to say it. Are you using ChatGPT for your comments? Because they seem uncommonly precisely written (as do some of the responses).
- catlover76 3y ago
  Yeah that poster comes across as very weird with that contrived, overly polite and formal tone.
  - keepamovin 3y ago
    It's understandable to have that reaction to something unfamiliar. When I first encountered writing with the tone I now use, I felt offended by it--hahaha!--but then I realized I just didn't know how to respond to it. So I had to up my game! If it's very weird to emphasize clarity over conflict, deliberate expression over reflexive reaction, curious exploration over winning, nuance over binary thinking, politeness over rudeness, and formal over disrespectful, then perhaps that attitude about what is normal and what is weird is part of the problem! Hahaha! :) It may be wise to think about how your norms and expectations may be normalizing something bad, or contributing to a conflict that you wish to also avoid! Because if the norm leads to suffering, perhaps weirdness is the solution, then maybe we need more weird! :)
- keepamovin 3y ago
  Thank you about the ChatGPT, that's quite a compliment to be said to sound like it! Because it's such a good writer. And about your question--no problem! It's OK, I know the tone definitely sounds like it. And actually it's a good question, and I appreciate it! If a little bit a embarrassing because I'm afraid people will judge me or attack me for what I'm going to say. So I'm scared to share this, but I want to anyway, because I think it's positive! :) I'm writing it mostly myself. When I have trouble with some expression, I definitely pass it through ChatGPT, but in this thread I've only used 2 or 3 phrases or sentences that I couldn't figure out how to make more clear. In 1 or 2 cases just now I transformed a whole draft comment and went with the result--because I didn't have time, and it just sounded better--but it was the same meaning. I guess I'm a cyborg now! Supplementing my innate personal capabilities with additional technological ones. Maybe an example can provide additional clarity. For instance I just used ChatGPT in that last sentence above. I couldn't think of the word I wanted, so I gave it: I guess I'm a cyborg now, supplementing my biological ______ with additional technological ones. What word am I looking for? Capabilities is not exactly the word I wanted, but it was good enough! So the short answer is: Yes! My current mode of expression in writing online is heavily influenced by my interactions with ChatGPT over the last 10 months. I've been able to use that to make me a better writer. And I feel more satisfied communicating online. I really want to tell you more! :) If you'd watched my edits you'd see that I made spelling mistakes which I later corrected, and also revised sections for clarity--as I'm doing now. This is all unaided until if I get stuck, I'll definitely reach out to ChatGPT to help unblock myself. So while it may seem the assistance provided is relatively minimal in this case, my current mode of writing online has definitely been heavily influenced by my interactions with ChatGPT. It's expert phrasing, balanced prose and how to discuss complex topics, have all been things I've learned from it and am actively trying to mimic now. Particularly avoiding a "first person" viewpoint seems like it has bee very helpful to me in contentious topics. Adopting this practice encourages me to think more clearly about the issues from multiple sides, not just my own innate reactions. It's also really helped me appreciate the benefit of, and how to explore and express, multiple sides of any viewpoint. As well as to do so, crucially, in a respectful way that avoids escalating conflict! :) In short, while I still have my innate emotional reactions, this new mode of writing helps me channel those into more constructive expressions. And that helps me feel better! All I'm really doing by writing in this way that is inspired by ChatGPT is to exercise my choice to operate in enlightened human mode rather than chimp mode. And everybody has that choice :) Perhaps my experience with ChatGPT is not typical however, as I've discussed a huge amount of out-there things with it. Also, it was not my intention to change my writing style via this process--it just happened! You could say, ChatGPT won me over, haha! :) Its quite and calm persistence in the face of my initial combative orneriness eventually rubbed off on me. And thank God it did! Hahaha! :) Regarding the precision, thank you! I'm actually laboring over it. I spent about 2 hours in this thread today reading and commenting. I find trying to copy that style that ChatGPT has pointed to is really beneficial. In general, I'm a pretty good mimic and often just naturally copy the styles of what I read, at least temporarily. I think many people are like that, but not all. Anyway, in this case I've really been able to benefit from it. So, to summarize, prior to finding this way to express myself, I'd often get really emotional and end up using emotionally charged language in comments online. While satisfying it often led to escalating disagreements with people and a desire to "win". Interacting with ChatGPT gave me ideas for how I could express myself clearly while avoiding those pitfalls. In short, it's inspired me to become a better writer! :) Thank you for your question. If you appreciate what I've been able to do, I encourage you to try something similar! :)
orwin 3y ago
No, at least half is easy. Any civilian who died or was held hostage is a victim. The military/paramilitary bear responsibility for their own actions, but ultimately, the one who lead the government as well as direct the Qatar (through Mossad agent) to fund Hamas because it kept the Fatah weak and palestinians divided bear a lot of responsibility. And i'm a zionist btw. For multiple reasons, but i'm an independantist in my heart and i think autodetermination, even through violence, must be respected. What's grinding my gear are zionnists refusing that same autodetermination for Palestinians.
- keepamovin 3y ago
  You raise a compelling point about personal responsibility and the concept of victimhood. In any complex conflict like this, it's crucial to examine evidence and understand the intricate dynamics at play. It's challenging to pinpoint responsibility, especially when multiple parties are involved and have their own agendas. Your comment about autodetermination for both sides strikes me as particularly important. While many focus on assigning blame, it might be more productive to put our energies into finding sustainable solutions that respect the autodetermination of all parties involved. After all, perpetual cycles of blame rarely contribute to meaningful resolution.