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Don't even start on that. It's no longer funny coming up with things like that for me. I'm currently trying to get out of the industry because I'm drowning in

by baz00 3y ago

Don't even start on that. It's no longer funny coming up with things like that for me. I'm currently trying to get out of the industry because I'm drowning in architectural bullshit like this constantly. It is pedalled by snakes, bastards and wankers who care nothing for solving problems but want to create new ones.

deegles 3y ago
Ultimately it's promotion-driven development.
- baz00 3y ago
  Yeah I call it Resume Driven Development.
  - loxias 3y ago
    Exactly. "What's Kubernetes FOR?" "To the best I can tell, it's a jobs program for our industry."
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    - baz00 3y ago
      Kubernetes is great for the problems it is designed for. It's fucking terrible for the other 99%. Source: juggle lots of clusters full of things that shouldn't be in Kubernetes.
malux85 3y ago
It’s been happening since the dawn of time, fat client/thin client, static link/dynamic link, micro services/monolith, centralised/decentralised, it doesn’t just migrate from one to the other, the pendulum swings back and forwards, and will do for eternity. You can be all angry about it, but being angry at the storm doesn’t affect the storm, it only affects you. A lot. Negatively. The trick is to position yourself to maximally profit from the next trend swing, I’ve been doing it for 20 years now, if you can predict where the next place is gold will fall from the sky, then go and stand there, with a really big bucket. I always found it strange that there is a certain type of intellect who is capable of accurate observation of reality, but incapable of execution (sometimes called “the disconnected intellect”), they can tell you exactly the problem, and the solution, but sit angry/frustrated that the observed world doesn’t match some imagined ideal in their head, and rather than adapt their internal model and be entrepreneurial enough to capture the value that generates, they bleet and complain while losing all opportunities - opportunities they can see! I can’t imagine being like this.
- baz00 3y ago
  I have ridden these fads for the last 25 years (well actually longer - I had a different career first!) and made a fuck load of money out of it. But I am tired of it now. I really don't care any more. I am fed up of solving the same problems again and again. It's more than just earning; there's intellectual dishonesty in this and it's tiring and demotivating.
  - malux85 3y ago
    Sounds like you need to move up maslow's hierarchy of needs and focus more on self actualization (or whatever if upwards for you) ... because your posts are full of negativity and you sound miserable.
    - baz00 3y ago
      Oh I'm bloody fantastically happy. I am merely cynical about the state of the industry as it stands. I'm literally 18 months from packing up this shit and doing what I really want to do which involves nothing whatsoever to do with computers.
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      - darkwater 3y ago
        Good for you and congratulations! I hope to do the same some day, but I need at very least 10 more years (no, this is not an advice for FIRE enthusiasts to chip in with tips or help, thank you).
- vb-8448 3y ago
  > The trick is to position yourself to maximally profit from the next trend swing, I’ve been doing it for 20 years now, if you can predict where the next place is gold will fall from the sky, then go and stand there, with a really big bucket. Where the pendulum will be in 2030? Asking for a friend :D
brookst 3y ago
I’m 30+ years in and I don’t think there’s any bad faith. It’s just people who are new seeing all of the problems with the old implementation and thinking their way will be better.
- uoaei 3y ago
  That is bad faith. They're not trying to understand the systems that they feel they can take the responsibility to try to "fix".
  - zhengyi13 3y ago
    Chesterton's Fence problems?
  - taeric 3y ago
    That isn't what bad faith typically covers? Bad faith is easiest seen when they hold opposition to higher standards than they can hit. In particular, on purpose. It is a smoke and mirror dialogue that is not intended to make progress, but only to spend the other side's time. In contrast, being wrong and or not fully grasping difficulties is normal. And sometimes, you get lucky and unexpectedly make progress
    - uoaei 3y ago
      This is my core contention: negligence of bringing one's efforts to suitably address the problem is not necessarily intentional a la mens rea, but rather demonstrates that a person is not appropriately engaging their mental and cognitive faculties and in essence disrespects the entire process to which they've assigned themselves. These processes are bigger than individuals and it behooves one to engage in ways that make sense. This lack of attention constitutes bad faith in that it is the opposite of good faith engagement. Also, they are assuming their participation is a net positive, which is a position that requires some amount of intention to take, so I disagree that intention as you've cast it is really a relevant perspective here. Bad faith is more than just a rhetorical debate tactic, it's a modus operandi with regard to how someone actually engages with the topic at hand.

by baz00 3y ago

deegles 3y ago

Ultimately it's promotion-driven development.

baz00 3y ago
Yeah I call it Resume Driven Development.
- loxias 3y ago
  Exactly. "What's Kubernetes FOR?" "To the best I can tell, it's a jobs program for our industry."
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - baz00 3y ago
    Kubernetes is great for the problems it is designed for. It's fucking terrible for the other 99%. Source: juggle lots of clusters full of things that shouldn't be in Kubernetes.

malux85 3y ago

It’s been happening since the dawn of time, fat client/thin client, static link/dynamic link, micro services/monolith, centralised/decentralised, it doesn’t just migrate from one to the other, the pendulum swings back and forwards, and will do for eternity. You can be all angry about it, but being angry at the storm doesn’t affect the storm, it only affects you. A lot. Negatively. The trick is to position yourself to maximally profit from the next trend swing, I’ve been doing it for 20 years now, if you can predict where the next place is gold will fall from the sky, then go and stand there, with a really big bucket. I always found it strange that there is a certain type of intellect who is capable of accurate observation of reality, but incapable of execution (sometimes called “the disconnected intellect”), they can tell you exactly the problem, and the solution, but sit angry/frustrated that the observed world doesn’t match some imagined ideal in their head, and rather than adapt their internal model and be entrepreneurial enough to capture the value that generates, they bleet and complain while losing all opportunities - opportunities they can see! I can’t imagine being like this.

baz00 3y ago
I have ridden these fads for the last 25 years (well actually longer - I had a different career first!) and made a fuck load of money out of it. But I am tired of it now. I really don't care any more. I am fed up of solving the same problems again and again. It's more than just earning; there's intellectual dishonesty in this and it's tiring and demotivating.
- malux85 3y ago
  Sounds like you need to move up maslow's hierarchy of needs and focus more on self actualization (or whatever if upwards for you) ... because your posts are full of negativity and you sound miserable.
  - baz00 3y ago
    Oh I'm bloody fantastically happy. I am merely cynical about the state of the industry as it stands. I'm literally 18 months from packing up this shit and doing what I really want to do which involves nothing whatsoever to do with computers.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - darkwater 3y ago
      Good for you and congratulations! I hope to do the same some day, but I need at very least 10 more years (no, this is not an advice for FIRE enthusiasts to chip in with tips or help, thank you).
vb-8448 3y ago
> The trick is to position yourself to maximally profit from the next trend swing, I’ve been doing it for 20 years now, if you can predict where the next place is gold will fall from the sky, then go and stand there, with a really big bucket. Where the pendulum will be in 2030? Asking for a friend :D

brookst 3y ago

I’m 30+ years in and I don’t think there’s any bad faith. It’s just people who are new seeing all of the problems with the old implementation and thinking their way will be better.

uoaei 3y ago
That is bad faith. They're not trying to understand the systems that they feel they can take the responsibility to try to "fix".
- zhengyi13 3y ago
  Chesterton's Fence problems?
- taeric 3y ago
  That isn't what bad faith typically covers? Bad faith is easiest seen when they hold opposition to higher standards than they can hit. In particular, on purpose. It is a smoke and mirror dialogue that is not intended to make progress, but only to spend the other side's time. In contrast, being wrong and or not fully grasping difficulties is normal. And sometimes, you get lucky and unexpectedly make progress
  - uoaei 3y ago
    This is my core contention: negligence of bringing one's efforts to suitably address the problem is not necessarily intentional a la mens rea, but rather demonstrates that a person is not appropriately engaging their mental and cognitive faculties and in essence disrespects the entire process to which they've assigned themselves. These processes are bigger than individuals and it behooves one to engage in ways that make sense. This lack of attention constitutes bad faith in that it is the opposite of good faith engagement. Also, they are assuming their participation is a net positive, which is a position that requires some amount of intention to take, so I disagree that intention as you've cast it is really a relevant perspective here. Bad faith is more than just a rhetorical debate tactic, it's a modus operandi with regard to how someone actually engages with the topic at hand.