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I think the key is to have everything delivered to you. Once you figure that out, suburbs are great. Of course, it's not equivalent to being able to walk to pl

by dottjt 3y ago

I think the key is to have everything delivered to you. Once you figure that out, suburbs are great. Of course, it's not equivalent to being able to walk to places, but I feel the pros outweigh the cons in terms of what you do get from the suburbs.

kjkjadksj 3y ago
There are plenty of suburbs where you can also walk to places.
reactordev 3y ago
>”I think the key is to have everything delivered to you.“ This is why we can’t have nice things. We simply can’t rely on a class of workers to dote on us simply because we fancy living in the burbs. The amount of waste just so you can get your instacart. The reality is near 8% mortgages have put suburbs with garages out of reach for almost everyone without a trust fund or selling their startup.
- dbtc 3y ago
  What if robots did it?
  - jeffreygoesto 3y ago
    Worse. The main damage is done building things and robots have a much higher total cost of being developed and built.
    - mensetmanusman 3y ago
      True to first order, not to second. Economy of scale making robots cheaper would dramatically improve economies and the environment. Simple example would be to reduce the scale up and install cost of clean energy.
      - reactordev 3y ago
        If we had pick and pack robots and delivery drones that were powered by solar fields and alternative energy, I would say that’s about as close to carbon neutral logistics as we can get. Trucking and freight are still exorbitantly polluting but the heavy “last mile” pollution problem would be traded with increased overhead air traffic. The reality is: a self driving car with a delivery robot is probably going to be our answer in 2040.
- vasco 3y ago
  > We simply can’t rely on a class of workers to dote on us simply because we fancy living in the burbs You make zero sense. Going to the grocery store involves the same workers helping you pay for gas and selling you groceries, or cooking your meals. Are you a recluse that interacts with zero workers? Who in their right mind calls someone else out for using a regular service? You'd prefer those people to not have jobs surely.
  - _visgean 3y ago
    Its about efficiency, a grocery store will require one large supply truck. Supplying everyone to their home requires way more people and energy.
    - mewpmewp2 3y ago
      Wouldn't delivery be more efficient than people not practiced at logistics delivering thinga to their homes back and forth themselves?
      - reactordev 3y ago
        Possibly if that last mile delivery was carried out by people who were also practiced in logistics. This is never the case. It’s better for you to find a means of transportation to get your staples of living than to pay someone else to use any means of transportation to provide you your bananas. The planet can’t take any more “conveniences” on our behalf. We need to find a more efficient way of delivering goods and getting our goods. Throwing your hands up and saying “I’ll just get everything delivered” is about the worst option you can do from a logistics perspective to reduce carbon.
    - vasco 3y ago
      There's no end to that game of efficiency. You end up with either ascetic monk life people or asking for population reduction measures. If you're annoyed about low efficiency of ordering food, what do you think of vacation traveling, hobbies, any sort of vehicles etc. Most efficiency would be to have no humans with our superfluous wants and needs. Otherwise you're just shaming others for doing things you happen not to like, while forgetting all the useless things you do. Surely you have done consumist purchases that weren't required for your immediate survival or health preservation before.
- refurb 3y ago
  What’s the difference between delivery in the city versus the suburbs? Does less distance make it ok?
  - spicymapotofu 3y ago
    Yes, last mile shipping takes up an inordinate amount of energy.
  - reactordev 3y ago
    When I get some goods delivered in the city, it’s via bike messenger. When I get goods delivered via suburbs, it’s via F-150s.
    - refurb 3y ago
      I live in a major city and it’s all by truck. You’re the exception.

by dottjt 3y ago

kjkjadksj 3y ago

There are plenty of suburbs where you can also walk to places.

reactordev 3y ago

>”I think the key is to have everything delivered to you.“ This is why we can’t have nice things. We simply can’t rely on a class of workers to dote on us simply because we fancy living in the burbs. The amount of waste just so you can get your instacart. The reality is near 8% mortgages have put suburbs with garages out of reach for almost everyone without a trust fund or selling their startup.

dbtc 3y ago
What if robots did it?
- jeffreygoesto 3y ago
  Worse. The main damage is done building things and robots have a much higher total cost of being developed and built.
  - mensetmanusman 3y ago
    True to first order, not to second. Economy of scale making robots cheaper would dramatically improve economies and the environment. Simple example would be to reduce the scale up and install cost of clean energy.
    - reactordev 3y ago
      If we had pick and pack robots and delivery drones that were powered by solar fields and alternative energy, I would say that’s about as close to carbon neutral logistics as we can get. Trucking and freight are still exorbitantly polluting but the heavy “last mile” pollution problem would be traded with increased overhead air traffic. The reality is: a self driving car with a delivery robot is probably going to be our answer in 2040.
vasco 3y ago
> We simply can’t rely on a class of workers to dote on us simply because we fancy living in the burbs You make zero sense. Going to the grocery store involves the same workers helping you pay for gas and selling you groceries, or cooking your meals. Are you a recluse that interacts with zero workers? Who in their right mind calls someone else out for using a regular service? You'd prefer those people to not have jobs surely.
- _visgean 3y ago
  Its about efficiency, a grocery store will require one large supply truck. Supplying everyone to their home requires way more people and energy.
  - mewpmewp2 3y ago
    Wouldn't delivery be more efficient than people not practiced at logistics delivering thinga to their homes back and forth themselves?
    - reactordev 3y ago
      Possibly if that last mile delivery was carried out by people who were also practiced in logistics. This is never the case. It’s better for you to find a means of transportation to get your staples of living than to pay someone else to use any means of transportation to provide you your bananas. The planet can’t take any more “conveniences” on our behalf. We need to find a more efficient way of delivering goods and getting our goods. Throwing your hands up and saying “I’ll just get everything delivered” is about the worst option you can do from a logistics perspective to reduce carbon.
  - vasco 3y ago
    There's no end to that game of efficiency. You end up with either ascetic monk life people or asking for population reduction measures. If you're annoyed about low efficiency of ordering food, what do you think of vacation traveling, hobbies, any sort of vehicles etc. Most efficiency would be to have no humans with our superfluous wants and needs. Otherwise you're just shaming others for doing things you happen not to like, while forgetting all the useless things you do. Surely you have done consumist purchases that weren't required for your immediate survival or health preservation before.
refurb 3y ago
What’s the difference between delivery in the city versus the suburbs? Does less distance make it ok?
- spicymapotofu 3y ago
  Yes, last mile shipping takes up an inordinate amount of energy.
- reactordev 3y ago
  When I get some goods delivered in the city, it’s via bike messenger. When I get goods delivered via suburbs, it’s via F-150s.
  - refurb 3y ago
    I live in a major city and it’s all by truck. You’re the exception.