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My vehicle enables my person to do so much more than I could do without it. To focus on People, for me, would imply making vehicle transport easier and quicker

by ars 3y ago

My vehicle enables my person to do so much more than I could do without it. To focus on People, for me, would imply making vehicle transport easier and quicker. There's virtually nothing I'm interested in that's in walking distance (there are plenty of things in walkable distance - I'm just interested in none of them).

cratermoon 3y ago
> There's virtually nothing I'm interested in that's in walking distance That's the problem to solve, then.
- ars 3y ago
  When I want to go shopping I want the store to be the size of a city block. When I want nature I want a huge park, where I can drive a distance inside the park until there are no humans in sight. When I want entertainment the things I'm interested in wouldn't fit in walkable distance. When I want a museam it's going to be large. So tell me, what could you offer me that's small enough to be within walking distance, and still interesting? A library is the only thing I can think of. I also want my house to be large enough to store all the tools I could want, with a space for a workshop, and space outside so I can build things or work on a car if I want.
  - happytiger 3y ago
    You’re making it an OR when it’s an AND. You can have vast forests and parks, massive shopping, and entertainment at a distance AND still live in a livable, walkable place. If you want to live in a very large home with a huge shop, that’s also possible. The current model excludes walkable and livable cities in favor of car dependency. Lack of car dependency doesn’t exclude the use of cars or having a mix of use cases. But car dependence by nature does. Nobody is saying you can’t have central parks, Costco and theme parks or whatever use cases you’re referencing. But you should also enjoy a neighborhood coffee shop and local grocery, a bakery down the street and places for your kids to play while you have dinner right in your own neighborhood. These are foreign concepts for those used to the suburbs and I often get accosted with comments like your which are deeply valid but reinforce just one set of values without really considering that it’s not a competition, but an addition and enhancement to our way of life — more of a return to what our grandparents enjoyed — that walkable cities is advocating. There is a full spectrum of possibilities. I won’t even get into the higher property values, healthier lifestyles, reduced cancer and heart disease risks and increased lifespans, the more deeply connected communities… moving away from just cars as the foundation for moving around, between and therefore for planning our cities generates many virtuous cycles. So, no resistance. You can have it all, but consider that cities could be a LOT better if we struck a real balance. You should see what people are building… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wrnAsMSwGbg&pp=ygUPV2Fsa2FibGUgY2l0aWVz https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wrnAsMSwGbg&pp=ygUPV2Fsa2FibGU...
- nradov 3y ago
  Sure let's move the beach to within walking distance of my house.
  - tuatoru 3y ago
    No problem, if you live at less than 70 metres above MSL currently.
ZoomerCretin 3y ago
There's nothing interesting in walking distance _because_ everyone has a car.

by ars 3y ago

cratermoon 3y ago

> There's virtually nothing I'm interested in that's in walking distance That's the problem to solve, then.

ars 3y ago
When I want to go shopping I want the store to be the size of a city block. When I want nature I want a huge park, where I can drive a distance inside the park until there are no humans in sight. When I want entertainment the things I'm interested in wouldn't fit in walkable distance. When I want a museam it's going to be large. So tell me, what could you offer me that's small enough to be within walking distance, and still interesting? A library is the only thing I can think of. I also want my house to be large enough to store all the tools I could want, with a space for a workshop, and space outside so I can build things or work on a car if I want.
- happytiger 3y ago
  You’re making it an OR when it’s an AND. You can have vast forests and parks, massive shopping, and entertainment at a distance AND still live in a livable, walkable place. If you want to live in a very large home with a huge shop, that’s also possible. The current model excludes walkable and livable cities in favor of car dependency. Lack of car dependency doesn’t exclude the use of cars or having a mix of use cases. But car dependence by nature does. Nobody is saying you can’t have central parks, Costco and theme parks or whatever use cases you’re referencing. But you should also enjoy a neighborhood coffee shop and local grocery, a bakery down the street and places for your kids to play while you have dinner right in your own neighborhood. These are foreign concepts for those used to the suburbs and I often get accosted with comments like your which are deeply valid but reinforce just one set of values without really considering that it’s not a competition, but an addition and enhancement to our way of life — more of a return to what our grandparents enjoyed — that walkable cities is advocating. There is a full spectrum of possibilities. I won’t even get into the higher property values, healthier lifestyles, reduced cancer and heart disease risks and increased lifespans, the more deeply connected communities… moving away from just cars as the foundation for moving around, between and therefore for planning our cities generates many virtuous cycles. So, no resistance. You can have it all, but consider that cities could be a LOT better if we struck a real balance. You should see what people are building… https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wrnAsMSwGbg&pp=ygUPV2Fsa2FibGUgY2l0aWVz https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wrnAsMSwGbg&pp=ygUPV2Fsa2FibGU...
nradov 3y ago
Sure let's move the beach to within walking distance of my house.
- tuatoru 3y ago
  No problem, if you live at less than 70 metres above MSL currently.

ZoomerCretin 3y ago

There's nothing interesting in walking distance _because_ everyone has a car.