5 ms·

The rental market didn’t cause the homelessness. Most homeless people weren’t renting in SF before they got homeless. These are the people who just gave up in

The rental market didn’t cause the homelessness. Most homeless people weren’t renting in SF before they got homeless. These are the people who just gave up in leave. Has nothing to do with rent prices or housing prices. Truth is, SF is attractive to homeless people because it has nice weather all year round and the politicians tolerate them.

addicted 3y ago
Unfortunately your “truth” is almost certainly false. Actual research shows the majority of homelessness in CA is a result of unaffordable housing and there is no mass migration of homeless to CA (thst also doesn’t make sense…with not even enough money to afford a house in a city where you may have connections and at least know the lay of the land, why would you move to a significantly more expensive city where you know no one and don’t know anything about it…and even if you think the weather is such a draw, then why are there any homeless in SF? Why haven’t they all moved to LA?). https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2023/06/425646/california-statewide-study-investigates-causes-and-impacts-homelessness https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2023/06/425646/california-statewid... > Contrary to myths of homeless migration, most were Californians: 90% of participants lost their last housing in California and 75% of participants live in the same county as where they were last housed. > The study found that for most of the participants, the cost of housing had simply become unsustainable. Participants reported a median monthly household income of $960 in the six months prior to their homelessness, and most believed that either rental subsidies or one-time financial help would have prevented their homelessness.
- api 3y ago
  You mean there’s a connection between not enough housing and homelessness? I dunno isn’t that pretty far fetched…? /s
cswhnjidd 3y ago
How do you know that? Research usually suggests that the most important factor in homelessness is unaffordable housing.
- wesapien 3y ago
  It's a well known fact homeless people come and stay in California for the mild weather. A lot of homeless are drug addicts and mental health issues. They can't hold down a job being that way. Normal people would just move or leave.
  - addicted 3y ago
    Why are they coming to SF and not all going to LA then? Of course all the research (admittedly limited, but there is no research showing this “well known fact”) this well know fact is just false.
    - wesapien 3y ago
      Progressive capture of most institutions makes a lot of research questionable in this particular world of ideas.
      - api 3y ago
        This one seems like a pretty simple question to answer: randomly poll 100 homeless people and ask whether they become homeless in California or came there homeless from elsewhere. Not hard, not complicated.
        wesapien 3y ago
        Exactly, common sense tells me that surviving the weather is the primary concern for most people if they ever lose shelter.
    - wesapien 3y ago
      SF and LA are both in California. There are many factors why they don't ALL go there but LA has a significantly bigger homeless population than Oakland and SF.
- aurareturn 3y ago
  The kind of homeless people in SF is not the same as the kind that can't afford housing. The homeless people in SF have given up on life. They're drug addicts. They're violent. They've been homeless for a long time even. Even if you give them free housing, they'll mess it up somehow. They can't hold down a job. They don't take care of the home. They'll abuse the home until it's unlivable. If it's truly unaffordable housing, why the hell are they in SF? Go to somewhere that is 1/4th the price. Plenty of places in the US. Source: Lived in SF for 20+ years.

addicted 3y ago

Unfortunately your “truth” is almost certainly false. Actual research shows the majority of homelessness in CA is a result of unaffordable housing and there is no mass migration of homeless to CA (thst also doesn’t make sense…with not even enough money to afford a house in a city where you may have connections and at least know the lay of the land, why would you move to a significantly more expensive city where you know no one and don’t know anything about it…and even if you think the weather is such a draw, then why are there any homeless in SF? Why haven’t they all moved to LA?). https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2023/06/425646/california-statewide-study-investigates-causes-and-impacts-homelessness https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2023/06/425646/california-statewid... > Contrary to myths of homeless migration, most were Californians: 90% of participants lost their last housing in California and 75% of participants live in the same county as where they were last housed. > The study found that for most of the participants, the cost of housing had simply become unsustainable. Participants reported a median monthly household income of $960 in the six months prior to their homelessness, and most believed that either rental subsidies or one-time financial help would have prevented their homelessness.

api 3y ago
You mean there’s a connection between not enough housing and homelessness? I dunno isn’t that pretty far fetched…? /s

cswhnjidd 3y ago

How do you know that? Research usually suggests that the most important factor in homelessness is unaffordable housing.

wesapien 3y ago
It's a well known fact homeless people come and stay in California for the mild weather. A lot of homeless are drug addicts and mental health issues. They can't hold down a job being that way. Normal people would just move or leave.
- addicted 3y ago
  Why are they coming to SF and not all going to LA then? Of course all the research (admittedly limited, but there is no research showing this “well known fact”) this well know fact is just false.
  - wesapien 3y ago
    Progressive capture of most institutions makes a lot of research questionable in this particular world of ideas.
    - api 3y ago
      This one seems like a pretty simple question to answer: randomly poll 100 homeless people and ask whether they become homeless in California or came there homeless from elsewhere. Not hard, not complicated.
      - wesapien 3y ago
        Exactly, common sense tells me that surviving the weather is the primary concern for most people if they ever lose shelter.
  - wesapien 3y ago
    SF and LA are both in California. There are many factors why they don't ALL go there but LA has a significantly bigger homeless population than Oakland and SF.
aurareturn 3y ago
The kind of homeless people in SF is not the same as the kind that can't afford housing. The homeless people in SF have given up on life. They're drug addicts. They're violent. They've been homeless for a long time even. Even if you give them free housing, they'll mess it up somehow. They can't hold down a job. They don't take care of the home. They'll abuse the home until it's unlivable. If it's truly unaffordable housing, why the hell are they in SF? Go to somewhere that is 1/4th the price. Plenty of places in the US. Source: Lived in SF for 20+ years.