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Norway is more of a city than a country, and a rather wealthy one that is difficult to draw conclusions from when it comes to consumer spending patterns. I'd br
by roenxi 3y ago
Norway is more of a city than a country, and a rather wealthy one that is difficult to draw conclusions from when it comes to consumer spending patterns. I'd brush this off as not that interesting.
However, if we're looking for oil death spirals in Norway, I recommend: https://crudeoilpeak.info/global-peak/norway-peak-oil https://crudeoilpeak.info/global-peak/norway-peak-oil
- kiba 3y agoIt's a country of five million spread over a significant amount of land area? My metropolitan area is like 6 million people, but only 500K lives within the city of Atlanta.
- flavius29663 3y agoso the poster is right, your city/metro is larger than Norway, population wise. And they are super wealthy to boot. It makes it less interesting in the context of switching to EVs.
- mrweasel 3y agoDoesn't it make it more interesting, or at least interesting from a different perspective. Vast cities are interesting because it's challenging to provide enough charging capacity for a "small" area, but also because there are a myriad of transportation option that could effectively complement cars. Countries like Norway is interesting because the cars are need because low population density makes other options to expensive and because now the cars need a much longer range. It's also interesting because, regardless of peoples opinion about the size of Norway, it is a country. Imagine the changes in government policies that are because possible when gas powered cars are no longer a thing to consider. Norway also taxes fuel, that money will be missing from the government budget in the future. It's going to be harder to explain that you're taxing electricity in a country that gets a large amount of it's power from hydro and windmills. Or how about the fact that Norway is a huge oil producer... is it morally right to ban gas powered cars at home, but sell oil abroad? It's hugely interesting precisely because Norway is an entire country.
- joe__f 3y agoSomewhat larger and with more fjords than your average city
- Angostura 3y agoYou made me look up the area of Norway, and that’s a fairly ludicrous assertion. Whatever reason you want to use to brush it off - that’s a daft one.
- tyfon 3y agoBeing Norwegian, that is one of the funniest description I have heard of the country which in reality is the exact opposite.
- mytailorisrich 3y agoI suspect that what the poster is getting at is that Norway's population is small and very wealthy, and it is concentrated around Oslo/Bergen/Trondheim so that it's risky to generalise based on what's happening there because, on global scale, it's a bit like a large-ish wealthy city (there are 1 million more people in Hongkong than in Norway). I don't think he meant that it wasn't an actual country. It obviously is. On top of that, Norway has a lot of hydro power, I believe. So not only there are wealthy with a small population, but they get effectively free electricity...
- joe__f 3y agoI got the impression they are a firm believer in the spherical cow model
- roenxi 3y agomytailorisrich's reading is much more accurate than yours then. He's picking up what I'm putting down.
- joe__f 3y agoWell, I'm glad somebody else was able to understand what you meant and clarify it for you. I'd say it's not surprising that people misunderstand you if you don't put much detail in your posts
- Broken_Hippo 3y agobut they get effectively free electricity... Tell that to anyone paying an electric bill, especially if they live in Southern Norway.
- travisgriggs 3y agoNot Norwegian, but lived there for 2 years, in multiple places from Narvik to Stavanager to Oslo to Trondheim. Population wise, Norway slots between Minnesota and South Carolina and is ~7.5x the mighty "city" of Alaska. It has a mainland latitude sweep of nearly 24 degrees, California covers 16 degrees of latitude. It's coastline is a mind boggling 51,748 miles. I can't find a good stat on total road network size, but neighboring Sweden of similar foot print has only a little less roads than the Spain. Some city I guess. As a Washington State resident, my biggest primary holdback with going all electric is the range reduction that occurs in winter months due to cold. Canadian friends have confirmed that it's a real thing. I would love to see what effect this has in Norway. I also would love to see which makes and models are trending there.
- nordsieck 3y ago> As a Washington State resident, my biggest primary holdback with going all electric is the range reduction that occurs in winter months due to cold. From what I can tell, a substantial mitigating factor is if you can garage your vehicle.
- jgilias 3y agoKeeping it in the garage, or just somewhere you can plug it in overnight helps somewhat because it gets heated up before your drive using the grid electricity. The consumption is still higher though. Mine goes from 14 kWh/100km when it’s 20 Celsius to 24 kWh/100km when it’s -10 Celsius. Highway consumption changes less dramatically as going faster you spend a larger share of the energy on moving as opposed to heating. So 18 kWh/100km to 20 kWh/100km. Range wise that’s a 25% reduction in usable range. I do 400 km comfortably during the summer and 300 km during the winter. Mine has a heat pump though, which should make it more efficient when it comes to heating.
- speedgoose 3y agoIn addition to the mandatory heat-pump, and starting a trip with a warm car and a warm battery, the better EVs also extract heat from the battery to heat-up the cabin. Long trips with one or two short fast charging stop aren't so much worse than summer. In both cases the car cools down the battery after a charging stop (the battery heats up a lot when fast charging). In winter it moves the heat inside the car, and outside the car during summer (in addition to running AC).
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- yread 3y agohere you can see population density map of Norway Sweden and Finland. It is quite spread out https://mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com/post/58777074043/population-density-of-norway-finland-and-sweden/amp https://mapsontheweb.zoom-maps.com/post/58777074043/populati...