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> Stewart and Apple executives "had disagreements over some of the topics and guests," the sources said. Specifically, they claimed Stewart told staffers that A

• lotsofpulp 3y ago
  > You can insult anyone in the free world except Xi from China and MSB from Saudi Arabia. You can even insult them. Maybe not with someone else’s money, but go ahead and put up a website.
  • smt88 3y ago
    Xi, Putin, MBS, Kim, and now Modi have assassinated critics in countries with free speech protections (UK, US, Canada).
    • gigatexal 3y ago
      > You can even insult them. Maybe not with someone else’s money, but go ahead and put up a website. We have video games like Fuck Putin (https://store.steampowered.com/app/1926680/FUCK_PUTIN/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1926680/FUCK_PUTIN/) does that count? I’d sure put up a single page html site calling all the above listed as autocrats with blood on their hands but I too fear what might befall me physically or professionally. So much Chinese money flows into the west especially here in Berlin and Germany in general. Imagine I put up a site that said President Xi is a a despot and looks like a certain bear and word got to my would be employers at BMW and they thought my words would threaten their ability to sell cars in China I wouldn’t be offered the job, that’s for sure. So, even though I am nobody, I’m still too afraid to really speak out.
      • jstarfish 3y ago
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      • pySSK 3y ago
        > So, even though I am nobody, I’m still too afraid to really speak out. Did you read about the Harvard and Columbia law students who had their job offers rescinded because they signed a letter critical of Israel’s actions?
        • lotsofpulp 3y ago
          The letter was severely lacking in tact. No employer cared they were critical of Israel, but the timing of the letter was obviously going to raise eyebrows. I would expect the same reaction if right after 9/11, a group released a statement saying the US brought the attack on itself.
          • gigatexal 3y ago
            Yeah I’m thinking I’ll keep my thoughts on MBS killing an American journalist and Putin being insane and Xi being an existential threat to both his people and liberal democracies the world over and the blood on Modi’s hands as he turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to Muslims being slaughtered by Hindus in Gujarat while he was head of that state not to mention his ties to the Hindu gestapo the RSS, to myself. I am far too dependent on being employable to be able to say what I think without consequence. I’m not rich enough to be able to be free enough to do that.
    • lotsofpulp 3y ago
      Sure, that is a problem, but has nothing to do with the technical abilities to criticize them and reach a global audience. Assassinating people in other countries is a military/defense issue and has nothing to do with a specific company not wanting to pay for content criticizing them.
      • glenstein 3y ago
        Sorry, but, what? The party not wanting to pay for content and the party wanting to proceed with assassinations are one in the same. And the latter translates into pressure against the former. So I'm not sure how you think there are two things here that can be taxonomized into independent issues that don't touch each other. Edit in response to the reply: presumably it's the Chinese market that is not interested in paying for content that criticizes them. But if you want to make this about Apple, then I just reiterate that the parties in this case are entangled in ways that can't be coherently taxonomized into independent subjects that are understood as being completely unrelated to each other. If a company bringing shows to market in a country, and the countries willingness to assassinate critics, are subjects you view as unrelated, then, to use your term, our models of the world are probably too different to productively communicate.
        • lotsofpulp 3y ago
          In the context of this thread, if you consider Apple and country governments around the world one and the same, then our models of the world are too different to productively converse.
    • deadbolt 3y ago
      Which critics of Xi were assassinated?
    • glenstein 3y ago
      Not that I disagree, but can you say more about Xi?
    • c0nducktr 3y ago
      Which persons has Xi had assassinated? He was first name in your reply. I assume you have some evidence right? Cite your sources.
  • mschuster91 3y ago
    You'd just better not travel to that country then. At least Turkey [1] and Saudi-Arabia [2] have arrested people for internet postings that were done outside of their territory. With China it's even worse - they've been caught operating secret police stations worldwide, who then targeted and threatened dissidents [3]. Can't find the article again, but I remember that there were also cases of Chinese dissidents being threatened with harm to their family that was still in China. Hard to get more insidious than that. [1] https://www.dw.com/en/german-lawmaker-briefly-detained-on-trip-to-turkey/a-66525589 https://www.dw.com/en/german-lawmaker-briefly-detained-on-tr... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/saudi-arabia-us-citizen-prison-critical-tweets-regime https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/saudi-arabia-u... [3] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-are-chinas-alleged-secret-overseas-police-stations https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-are-chinas-allege...
    • ReptileMan 3y ago
      The first two cases are Turkish and Saudi citizens.
    • croes 3y ago
      >Hard to get more insidious than that. Remember Jamal Khashoggi? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamal_Khashoggi
    • eigenvalue 3y ago
      Yeah I mean that seems like common sense— if you want to insult a strongman dictator for being brutal, probably not a great idea to go to his country where he is judge, jury, and executioner!
      • spacecadet 3y ago
        Yeah I agree. Why the fuck go there afterward. Begs the question, was the insult meant to highlight the evils or highlight the person making the insult.
      • Teever 3y ago
• hackandthink 3y ago
  The most intolerant and rich wins. https://nassimtaleb.org/2016/08/intolerant-wins-dictatorship-small-minority/ https://nassimtaleb.org/2016/08/intolerant-wins-dictatorship...
  • dartos 3y ago
    I think that article used a weird example of kosher lemonade. I think you’d need to work to make lemonade not kosher, like adding gelatin or something. Maybe putting the card before the horse a bit there
    • mrweiner 3y ago
      Not sure whether you just made a typo, but the saying is “putting the cart before the horse,” not the “card.”
      • dartos 3y ago
        Yeah it was a typo. I’ve learned that I’m bad at typing on mobile AND bad at proofreading
    • gizmo686 3y ago
      Thats kind of the point. Catering to the intolerant is practically free, and the tolerant barely notice, so naturally the intolerant win. The kosher lemonade example is good because it is at the extreme end where almost no one can take offense. With that established, you can start asking 'what if it costs a little?', or 'what if the tolerent have a slight preference that the intolerant don't?'.
  • raincom 3y ago
    Same inference can be drawn from Arrow-Sen impossibility theorem that "there is no voting rule that satisfies the four desirable axioms of decisiveness, consensus, nondictatorship, and independence."
  • MollyRealized 3y ago
    I'm not even sure 'rich' is a requirement - just 'posing as rich' works.
• dragonwriter 3y ago
  > You can insult anyone in the free world except Xi from China and MSB from Saudi Arabia. You can insult anyone in the free world if they don't control enough wealth and have enough vindictiveness to make that costly for your employer. MSB and Xi just have power ludicrous amounts of wealth through their positions, and are extremely thin-skinned, to the point that it would be comical except for the manner in which they are able to express their insecurities.