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Nobody will preserve the culture you care about for you. Nobody can make it better but us. Internet Archive is doing a pretty incredible job of just that.

phailhaus 3y ago
The Internet Archive was never sold to a third party. That's the point: they've always retained control of their company and therefore their vision.
- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Well, you've gotten to the crux of it. Stop trusting culture to for profit companies who will be flipped as soon as majority stakeholders get a whiff of "cash me out." Brewster Kahle takes the role of the Internet Archive and its mission very seriously. It has been organized in a manner to defend against this peril and will survive a custodian transition. https://winners.webbyawards.com/2017/specialachievement/130/internet-archive https://winners.webbyawards.com/2017/specialachievement/130/... https://archive.org/details/2017-Webby-award-video https://archive.org/details/2017-Webby-award-video “The Internet Archive…is building a home for Universal Access to All Knowledge, open to everyone, everywhere, to use as they like. Open to all societies of the future that care to build on our triumphs and learn from our mistakes.” -- Lawrence Lessig, narrator EDIT: TLDR Build public goods if motivated and resourced, defend them through legal, logical, physical, and technological controls.
- nijjle 3y ago
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Almondsetat 3y ago
Internet Archive won't read your mind and automatically archive everything you desire, you still have to explicitely tell it what to save
- kuhaku22 3y ago
  Exactly. And there's tons of stuff out there it doesn't have, waiting to be converted from analog media or out of the clutches of overreaching copyright.
kuhaku22 3y ago
I think the message is more about self-organizing and takings steps to be active in preservation. The Internet Archive does great work, but putting all our eggs in that basket creates a huge risk if it becomes a Library of Alexandria, and publishers would love for it to no longer exist. [0] [0] https://time.com/6266147/internet-archive-copyright-infringement-books-lawsuit/ https://time.com/6266147/internet-archive-copyright-infringe...
- kffan 3y ago
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adventured 3y ago
Internet Archive can never exist in the EU in regards to hosting because they're so egregiously violating basic consumer rights, including the right to privacy and the right to be forgotten. They make it intentionally difficult, and often impossible, to get content removed from their archive (especially if you don't control the domain). They're oblivious to how many violations of personal information they contain within their own archives - by design grabbing content without having any idea what it is - and stand no chance of ever meeting stringent EU laws on such matters including GDPR. And that's something to celebrate? No, it's something HN nearly universally somehow overlooks in every single conversation about Internet Archive, because they get a pass (the end justifies the means essentially). Internet Archive should be illegal because it violates human rights.
- nijjle 3y ago
  The 'right to be forgotten' has always been one of the more ill-conceived ideas coming from the EU. Censoring lawful and factual information is dubious in principle and flawed as a means of protecting privacy. Since its introduction, it has been widely abused as a tool to hide misdeeds and embarrassments, to pretend they never actually happened.
  - KETHERCORTEX 3y ago
    By the way, I think I should remind you that you must bear no memory about Herostratus, arsonist who burned down the Temple of Artemis.
- Nevermark 3y ago
  > Internet Archive should be illegal because it violates human rights. You raise some interesting points, but the kill-it-with-fire solution ignores the great (necessary!) benefits the archive provides to humanity, by protecting useful public/published information from constant churn. Humanity is just beginning to find its moral/ethical way forward, in this new integrated world of information, by feel in the dark. In the meantime, its unavoidable that many things will be imperfect balances, and people will disagree where the balances should be.
- 3y ago
Analemma_ 3y ago
Internet Archive is great, but to be clear: it's a museum of dead cultures for historical examination and appreciation. That's a valuable service, but it's not at all the same thing as supporting a living community. By its nature, the Internet Archive can never do that.

phailhaus 3y ago

The Internet Archive was never sold to a third party. That's the point: they've always retained control of their company and therefore their vision.

toomuchtodo 3y ago
Well, you've gotten to the crux of it. Stop trusting culture to for profit companies who will be flipped as soon as majority stakeholders get a whiff of "cash me out." Brewster Kahle takes the role of the Internet Archive and its mission very seriously. It has been organized in a manner to defend against this peril and will survive a custodian transition. https://winners.webbyawards.com/2017/specialachievement/130/internet-archive https://winners.webbyawards.com/2017/specialachievement/130/... https://archive.org/details/2017-Webby-award-video https://archive.org/details/2017-Webby-award-video “The Internet Archive…is building a home for Universal Access to All Knowledge, open to everyone, everywhere, to use as they like. Open to all societies of the future that care to build on our triumphs and learn from our mistakes.” -- Lawrence Lessig, narrator EDIT: TLDR Build public goods if motivated and resourced, defend them through legal, logical, physical, and technological controls.
nijjle 3y ago
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Almondsetat 3y ago

Internet Archive won't read your mind and automatically archive everything you desire, you still have to explicitely tell it what to save

kuhaku22 3y ago
Exactly. And there's tons of stuff out there it doesn't have, waiting to be converted from analog media or out of the clutches of overreaching copyright.

kuhaku22 3y ago

I think the message is more about self-organizing and takings steps to be active in preservation. The Internet Archive does great work, but putting all our eggs in that basket creates a huge risk if it becomes a Library of Alexandria, and publishers would love for it to no longer exist. [0] [0] https://time.com/6266147/internet-archive-copyright-infringement-books-lawsuit/ https://time.com/6266147/internet-archive-copyright-infringe...

kffan 3y ago
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adventured 3y ago

Internet Archive can never exist in the EU in regards to hosting because they're so egregiously violating basic consumer rights, including the right to privacy and the right to be forgotten. They make it intentionally difficult, and often impossible, to get content removed from their archive (especially if you don't control the domain). They're oblivious to how many violations of personal information they contain within their own archives - by design grabbing content without having any idea what it is - and stand no chance of ever meeting stringent EU laws on such matters including GDPR. And that's something to celebrate? No, it's something HN nearly universally somehow overlooks in every single conversation about Internet Archive, because they get a pass (the end justifies the means essentially). Internet Archive should be illegal because it violates human rights.

nijjle 3y ago
The 'right to be forgotten' has always been one of the more ill-conceived ideas coming from the EU. Censoring lawful and factual information is dubious in principle and flawed as a means of protecting privacy. Since its introduction, it has been widely abused as a tool to hide misdeeds and embarrassments, to pretend they never actually happened.
- KETHERCORTEX 3y ago
  By the way, I think I should remind you that you must bear no memory about Herostratus, arsonist who burned down the Temple of Artemis.
Nevermark 3y ago
> Internet Archive should be illegal because it violates human rights. You raise some interesting points, but the kill-it-with-fire solution ignores the great (necessary!) benefits the archive provides to humanity, by protecting useful public/published information from constant churn. Humanity is just beginning to find its moral/ethical way forward, in this new integrated world of information, by feel in the dark. In the meantime, its unavoidable that many things will be imperfect balances, and people will disagree where the balances should be.
3y ago

Analemma_ 3y ago

Internet Archive is great, but to be clear: it's a museum of dead cultures for historical examination and appreciation. That's a valuable service, but it's not at all the same thing as supporting a living community. By its nature, the Internet Archive can never do that.