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> CCS1 does not either. CCS1 is entirely common with CCS2 for DC charging. The rest could have been unified later. > main difference is cooling not safety mar

by adev_ 3y ago

> CCS1 does not either. CCS1 is entirely common with CCS2 for DC charging. The rest could have been unified later. > main difference is cooling not safety margins. It is safety margin. The pin are currently undersized for the rated power[1] > NACS is using CCS1 signalling. Which is irrelevant. Because both are still fundamental incompatible. > CCS1 is different enough from CCS2 It is not. The only major difference between both is the presence of the three phase AC. A thing that could have been adapted in future and standardized everywhere world wide. Now we are in the ridiculous situation that an EV will not even be able to charge itself in a neighboring country just because of lobbying bullshit. Tesla already ship car with CCS2 by default in Europe. They could have standardize on that even in USA. They did not for short profits, not for user convenience. [1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJOfyMCEzjQ&t=1441s&pp=ygUEbmFjcw%3D%3D https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJOfyMCEzjQ&t=1441s&pp=ygUEbmF...

p1mrx 3y ago
>> NACS is using CCS1 signalling. > Which is irrelevant. Because both are still fundamental incompatible. NACS using CCS1 signalling is significant, because that means existing vehicles will be able to charge from NACS using a passive adapter. If you require adapters to contain a microcontroller, the number of bugs goes up by an order of magnitude.
Dylan16807 3y ago
> CCS1 is entirely common with CCS2 for DC charging. The rest could have been unified later. True unification would mean changing the plugs on all the cars and be just as disruptive as this is. > It is safety margin. The pin are currently undersized for the rated power[1] I don't see anything relevant at that timestamp? But the pins are not the cable and you were talking about the cable. > Which is irrelevant. Because both are still fundamental incompatible. It is absolutely relevant to payment methods, because those are software. > The only major difference between both is the presence of the three phase AC. A thing that could have been adapted in future and standardized everywhere world wide. It would require reusing some but not all of the DC pins for AC, and I strongly doubt that was ever going to happen given that it hasn't happened so far. > Tesla already ship car with CCS2 by default in Europe. They could have standardize on that even in USA. Why would they use CCS2 when everyone else in the country is using CCS1? Especially because the plug kinda sucks. Compatibility is more important, but since everyone using CCS2 was clearly not going to happen, might as well make a better plug. > They did not for short profits, not for user convenience. I don't really care about what their motive was.

by adev_ 3y ago

p1mrx 3y ago

>> NACS is using CCS1 signalling. > Which is irrelevant. Because both are still fundamental incompatible. NACS using CCS1 signalling is significant, because that means existing vehicles will be able to charge from NACS using a passive adapter. If you require adapters to contain a microcontroller, the number of bugs goes up by an order of magnitude.

Dylan16807 3y ago

> CCS1 is entirely common with CCS2 for DC charging. The rest could have been unified later. True unification would mean changing the plugs on all the cars and be just as disruptive as this is. > It is safety margin. The pin are currently undersized for the rated power[1] I don't see anything relevant at that timestamp? But the pins are not the cable and you were talking about the cable. > Which is irrelevant. Because both are still fundamental incompatible. It is absolutely relevant to payment methods, because those are software. > The only major difference between both is the presence of the three phase AC. A thing that could have been adapted in future and standardized everywhere world wide. It would require reusing some but not all of the DC pins for AC, and I strongly doubt that was ever going to happen given that it hasn't happened so far. > Tesla already ship car with CCS2 by default in Europe. They could have standardize on that even in USA. Why would they use CCS2 when everyone else in the country is using CCS1? Especially because the plug kinda sucks. Compatibility is more important, but since everyone using CCS2 was clearly not going to happen, might as well make a better plug. > They did not for short profits, not for user convenience. I don't really care about what their motive was.