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I don't understand how you can admit you don't understand and then immediately square off against X. X being the people asking for transparency, honesty, etc.

I don't understand how you can admit you don't understand and then immediately square off against X. X being the people asking for transparency, honesty, etc. Put another way, anti-vax is wrong but anti-you-and-rest-of-us is ok? One word for you: FollowTheMoney

hinkley 3y ago
Shouting conspiracy isn’t seeking truth. It’s throwing a tantrum to get out of doing something you don’t want to do.
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  And calling something a conspiracy theory doesn't make it so simply because someone else told you to do so and you assimilated to that norm simply because you are too intellectually lazy to think thoughts that might make you uncomfortable. Here's an example: "...But so far private companies Pfizer and Moderna are the only ones that have succeeded in making them. And both companies have refused to share their patents and their manufacturing know-how..." https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/07/13/1111137152/these-brazilian-besties-are-inventing-an-mrna-vaccine-as-a-gift-to-the-world https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/07/13/1111137... Now let that sink in...we were told time and again. It's a pandemic (i.e., worldwide) and that a variation in Country X has the potential to kill *everywhere*. But share the technology? To save lives?? Technology the US taxpayer paid for?? No way! Yeah, no big deal. There weren't that many people living in Brazil anyway. Or what about the fact long term safety was promised...based on what? A time machine? Or what about the fact that it was revealed mid-pandemic that those disposable blue masks weren't capable of filtering out things the size of a virus? (Read: They were effectively *useless*) When out of left field Faucci tried to push wearing two masks? Simple question: How could the CDC and a world renown "expert" *not* know that?? I get it. They've manipulated your scarcity brain and its biases and you can't help but to keep blowing the horn for them. But that doesn't make anything outside the dictacted narrative a conspiracy theory. It never has. It never will. Again: follow the money. p.s. Cardiovascular disease *continues* to kill and maim (i.e., stroke) more than Covid did and does but *no one* from NIH, CDC, WHO, etc. is in the media every other day saying,"Put down the Coke and fries and go for a long walk...". But now that there's a jab for weight reduction maybe that'll happen. Funny how that is. Coincidentally, those with excess weight (and associated medical conditions) fared worse against Covid. At yet the weight/cardiovascular pandemic doesn't get a spotlight? Why?
- nvm0n2 3y ago
  Other way around. It is seeking truth if there is actually a conspiracy. How many so-called "conspiracy theorists" said there was a risk that the shots would alter your DNA, and were then shouted down by people who blindly repeated The Science without engaging with the debate. It's not possible, they said, only uneducated Trump voters could believe that, they said. The Science says the shots can't alter your DNA because mRNA can't do that and anyone who objects should be blasted off the face of the internet, have their bank accounts seized, be forced to take the vaccines to keep their jobs and be prevented from seeing their families. Only, whoops, mRNA isn't the only thing in the vials, and what is there is the sort of thing that can change your DNA. And the pharma companies must have known that, the regulators turned a blind eye, and testing the vials externally to find out what was in them was forbidden by law (hence why the doctors who blew this open had to test residues from preserved empty vials). So, yet another win for the so-called conspiracy theorists. BTW basically everyone has realized this by now. Boosters are still being advertised and promoted but uptake is near zero and Pfizer/Moderna stock prices have disconnected from the rest of the pharma industry, going much lower. Investors are getting worried.
  - shadowgovt 3y ago
    > and what is there is the sort of thing that can change your DNA How? Describe the mechanism.
bediger4000 3y ago
You're equating anti-vax with seeking truth, seeking honesty, asking for transparency, all in good faith. Good for you, seeing the best in people. After the last 3 years, you'll have to pardon most people not making that identification. Loud, partisan, probably bad faith, anti-vax advocacy has ruined it for the simple, honest, good faith truth seekers. Very unfortunate.
- junofan 3y ago
  Right or wrong, I think most normal people are a bit skeptical about being asked to take what they were told was a 95% effective vaccine for the fifth time. I wouldn’t call it bad faith.
  - scrollaway 3y ago
    I don’t know where you live but here in most of Europe, the vaccines are barely in the news anymore. When we hear about them it’s usually about the elderly. Flu shot vaccines are also highly effective and you’re also recommended to take them every year. This hasn’t been a problem ever — if now it suddenly is, then it’s difficult to think that this is the group that “seeks truth and transparency”, rather than the group that seeks to stir conflict and spread bullshit for their own benefit.
    - chiefalchemist 3y ago
      Flu vaccines are only effective *if* they guess the strain that breaks out the following winter. Sure, it's an educated and necessary guess (given the necessary lead time for manufacturing and distribution) but it's still a guess. Cardiovascular disease *continues* to kill and maim (i.e., stroke) more than Covid did and does but *no one* from NIH, CDC, WHO, etc. is in the media every other day saying,"Put down the Coke and fries and go for a long walk...". But now that there's a jab for weight reduction maybe that'll happen. Funny how that is. Coincidentally, those with excess weight (and associated medical conditions) fared worse against Covid. At yet the weight/cardiovascular pandemic doesn't get a spotlight? Why?

hinkley 3y ago

Shouting conspiracy isn’t seeking truth. It’s throwing a tantrum to get out of doing something you don’t want to do.

chiefalchemist 3y ago
And calling something a conspiracy theory doesn't make it so simply because someone else told you to do so and you assimilated to that norm simply because you are too intellectually lazy to think thoughts that might make you uncomfortable. Here's an example: "...But so far private companies Pfizer and Moderna are the only ones that have succeeded in making them. And both companies have refused to share their patents and their manufacturing know-how..." https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/07/13/1111137152/these-brazilian-besties-are-inventing-an-mrna-vaccine-as-a-gift-to-the-world https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/07/13/1111137... Now let that sink in...we were told time and again. It's a pandemic (i.e., worldwide) and that a variation in Country X has the potential to kill *everywhere*. But share the technology? To save lives?? Technology the US taxpayer paid for?? No way! Yeah, no big deal. There weren't that many people living in Brazil anyway. Or what about the fact long term safety was promised...based on what? A time machine? Or what about the fact that it was revealed mid-pandemic that those disposable blue masks weren't capable of filtering out things the size of a virus? (Read: They were effectively *useless*) When out of left field Faucci tried to push wearing two masks? Simple question: How could the CDC and a world renown "expert" *not* know that?? I get it. They've manipulated your scarcity brain and its biases and you can't help but to keep blowing the horn for them. But that doesn't make anything outside the dictacted narrative a conspiracy theory. It never has. It never will. Again: follow the money. p.s. Cardiovascular disease *continues* to kill and maim (i.e., stroke) more than Covid did and does but *no one* from NIH, CDC, WHO, etc. is in the media every other day saying,"Put down the Coke and fries and go for a long walk...". But now that there's a jab for weight reduction maybe that'll happen. Funny how that is. Coincidentally, those with excess weight (and associated medical conditions) fared worse against Covid. At yet the weight/cardiovascular pandemic doesn't get a spotlight? Why?
nvm0n2 3y ago
Other way around. It is seeking truth if there is actually a conspiracy. How many so-called "conspiracy theorists" said there was a risk that the shots would alter your DNA, and were then shouted down by people who blindly repeated The Science without engaging with the debate. It's not possible, they said, only uneducated Trump voters could believe that, they said. The Science says the shots can't alter your DNA because mRNA can't do that and anyone who objects should be blasted off the face of the internet, have their bank accounts seized, be forced to take the vaccines to keep their jobs and be prevented from seeing their families. Only, whoops, mRNA isn't the only thing in the vials, and what is there is the sort of thing that can change your DNA. And the pharma companies must have known that, the regulators turned a blind eye, and testing the vials externally to find out what was in them was forbidden by law (hence why the doctors who blew this open had to test residues from preserved empty vials). So, yet another win for the so-called conspiracy theorists. BTW basically everyone has realized this by now. Boosters are still being advertised and promoted but uptake is near zero and Pfizer/Moderna stock prices have disconnected from the rest of the pharma industry, going much lower. Investors are getting worried.
- shadowgovt 3y ago
  > and what is there is the sort of thing that can change your DNA How? Describe the mechanism.

bediger4000 3y ago

You're equating anti-vax with seeking truth, seeking honesty, asking for transparency, all in good faith. Good for you, seeing the best in people. After the last 3 years, you'll have to pardon most people not making that identification. Loud, partisan, probably bad faith, anti-vax advocacy has ruined it for the simple, honest, good faith truth seekers. Very unfortunate.

junofan 3y ago
Right or wrong, I think most normal people are a bit skeptical about being asked to take what they were told was a 95% effective vaccine for the fifth time. I wouldn’t call it bad faith.
- scrollaway 3y ago
  I don’t know where you live but here in most of Europe, the vaccines are barely in the news anymore. When we hear about them it’s usually about the elderly. Flu shot vaccines are also highly effective and you’re also recommended to take them every year. This hasn’t been a problem ever — if now it suddenly is, then it’s difficult to think that this is the group that “seeks truth and transparency”, rather than the group that seeks to stir conflict and spread bullshit for their own benefit.
  - chiefalchemist 3y ago
    Flu vaccines are only effective *if* they guess the strain that breaks out the following winter. Sure, it's an educated and necessary guess (given the necessary lead time for manufacturing and distribution) but it's still a guess. Cardiovascular disease *continues* to kill and maim (i.e., stroke) more than Covid did and does but *no one* from NIH, CDC, WHO, etc. is in the media every other day saying,"Put down the Coke and fries and go for a long walk...". But now that there's a jab for weight reduction maybe that'll happen. Funny how that is. Coincidentally, those with excess weight (and associated medical conditions) fared worse against Covid. At yet the weight/cardiovascular pandemic doesn't get a spotlight? Why?