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That's the theory, but I wonder if it's actually true? I suspect it isn't, especially at this point. I think a lot of that activity came down to reporters talki

That's the theory, but I wonder if it's actually true? I suspect it isn't, especially at this point. I think a lot of that activity came down to reporters talking to each other, followed by hordes of bots and people who don't actually read past the headline. NPR bailed on Twitter and they claim they've seen zero change in their metrics as a result; I believe them.

legitster 3y ago
How much of the news you have seen from Hamas/Israel has actually come from a reporter or news crew on the scene? Almost exclusively the content that is not coming from government sources themselves is coming from from videos and posts being uploaded by Palestinians/Israelis directly. Even if NPR and others have bailed from having an official presence on Twitter, I can almost guarantee you that individual journalists at said organizations are still probably on it all day scanning for content.
- zmk5 3y ago
  iirc journalists are not allowed into Gaza and have been stuck at the border.
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- api 3y ago
  > is coming from from videos and posts being uploaded by Palestinians/Israelis directly. ... which also means it could be coming from Israeli or Hamas (or Iranian or Russian or American or ...) propagandists posing as on the ground citizen reporters and there's nobody on the ground to fact check anything. This is particularly true in the era of deepfakes. You don't even have to stage or mis-caption or mis-attribute photos. You can outright fake things. You don’t even need to be there. That on the ground reporter in Gaza could be in a basement in Idaho using Midjourney and Dall-E. Even if the deepfake is detectable most of the hordes on Xitter will believe it. See, believe, retweet.
- technion 3y ago
  I just watched the Anthony Bourdain special where he talked to people in Israel about previous wars, and they talked about Twitter saving their lives, calling in NATO strikes by Tweeting about enemy activities.
- gausswho 3y ago
  May not be from the big name sources you expect, but journalists are there. And 19 known to have died are covered here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/19/journalists-killed-israel-gaza-war/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/19/journalists-...
- aaomidi 3y ago
  Israel doesn’t allow journalists in since this started. https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-journalists-safety-259bcff10356a8a48d5b7640e8a16274 https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-journalists-safety-25...
badwolf 3y ago
The theory gains more credibility to me every time I see journalists screeching about how they can't use search on Threads to find out what "people" are saying.
saulpw 3y ago
Yes, it's true. The costs to do apparent 'journalism' fell because underpaid news writers could make a valid-sounding article from stuff they found on Twitter. That started a race to the bottom, where now very few places are doing non-Twitter journalism.
halJordan 3y ago
You're arguing a different point. There is no actual argument to be had about the decline of the reporter. Print media died and took journalists with it. Outlets like the NYT or NPR get by with their old guard, but once they retire who knows what'll happen.

legitster 3y ago

How much of the news you have seen from Hamas/Israel has actually come from a reporter or news crew on the scene? Almost exclusively the content that is not coming from government sources themselves is coming from from videos and posts being uploaded by Palestinians/Israelis directly. Even if NPR and others have bailed from having an official presence on Twitter, I can almost guarantee you that individual journalists at said organizations are still probably on it all day scanning for content.

zmk5 3y ago
iirc journalists are not allowed into Gaza and have been stuck at the border.
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api 3y ago
> is coming from from videos and posts being uploaded by Palestinians/Israelis directly. ... which also means it could be coming from Israeli or Hamas (or Iranian or Russian or American or ...) propagandists posing as on the ground citizen reporters and there's nobody on the ground to fact check anything. This is particularly true in the era of deepfakes. You don't even have to stage or mis-caption or mis-attribute photos. You can outright fake things. You don’t even need to be there. That on the ground reporter in Gaza could be in a basement in Idaho using Midjourney and Dall-E. Even if the deepfake is detectable most of the hordes on Xitter will believe it. See, believe, retweet.
technion 3y ago
I just watched the Anthony Bourdain special where he talked to people in Israel about previous wars, and they talked about Twitter saving their lives, calling in NATO strikes by Tweeting about enemy activities.
gausswho 3y ago
May not be from the big name sources you expect, but journalists are there. And 19 known to have died are covered here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/19/journalists-killed-israel-gaza-war/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/10/19/journalists-...
aaomidi 3y ago
Israel doesn’t allow journalists in since this started. https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-journalists-safety-259bcff10356a8a48d5b7640e8a16274 https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-journalists-safety-25...

badwolf 3y ago

The theory gains more credibility to me every time I see journalists screeching about how they can't use search on Threads to find out what "people" are saying.

saulpw 3y ago

Yes, it's true. The costs to do apparent 'journalism' fell because underpaid news writers could make a valid-sounding article from stuff they found on Twitter. That started a race to the bottom, where now very few places are doing non-Twitter journalism.

halJordan 3y ago

You're arguing a different point. There is no actual argument to be had about the decline of the reporter. Print media died and took journalists with it. Outlets like the NYT or NPR get by with their old guard, but once they retire who knows what'll happen.