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DALL·E 3 is now available in ChatGPT Plus and Enterprise
- generalizations 3y agoI guess this is when they're giving everyone access? I've had this available for a couple weeks now.
- pjot 3y agoStrange. I’ve had this for maybe a month now. Edit: it looks to be available in the iOS app now too - which previously was not.
- rckrd 3y agoInteresting that none of the new features (DALLE-3, Advanced Data Analysis, Browse with Bing) are usable without enabling history (and therefore, using your data for training).
- weird-eye-issue 3y agoYou can literally disable that here without it impacting your history or the use of those features: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScrnC-_A7JFs4LbIuzevQ_78hVERlNqqCPCt3d8XqnKOfdRdQ/viewform https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScrnC-_A7JFs4LbIuze...
- flatiron 3y agoYeah nothing suspicious about a random google doc instead of a direct link to OpenAI. I would suggest nobody fill this out.
- weird-eye-issue 3y agohttps://help.openai.com/en/articles/5722486-how-your-data-is-used-to-improve-model-performance https://help.openai.com/en/articles/5722486-how-your-data-is...
- flatiron 3y agoi stand corrected, thanks. what an odd way for them to collect data considering they seem more than capable of making a form on their own website...
- CSMastermind 3y agoAt first glance it seems like it can't modify uploaded pictures? That would be a very nice feature to have.
- davidbarker 3y agoThat's correct. You can't upload an image and modify it. The closest you can get (which is still very far) is to upload your image to GPT-4 Vision and ask it to give you a prompt to describe the image, and then put that prompt into DALL-E 3.
- danielvaughn 3y agoWhat's interesting to me is how AI-generated images (not just DALLE but also Midjourney and others) have a specific look and feel. It's typically characterized by high contrast and high saturation. Anyone know why that style is more likely to be the output?
- sebzim4500 3y agoI think people just like it, so any RLHF like process will encourage it.
- Kuinox 3y agoWhen you ask users the select the best picture, they will select the one with the high contrast and saturation.
- Taek 3y agoReminds me of The New Coke, a flavor designed by having people provide very short term feedback on different flavor combinations. Most feedback processes for generative models are based on asking the user to draw immediate sentiments rather than having them provide deeper art and style critiques
- shmatt 3y agoThe same reason Apple started the fake "out of focus background" on non DSLR phone cameras. It makes people feel like its better
- civilitty 3y agoThere's a lot of variation between monitors so high contrast/saturation is far more likely to look the same across monitors. Digital art in general has moved towards this style. I've got two LG 27" 4k monitors, same model number but produced several years apart, and while one monitor can easily show light grays like #EEE, it just looks white in the other.
- GaggiX 3y agoThe CFG is a trick used to trade variety for apparent quality, applied to images it causes high saturation and contrast. It's used because the training data set is very noisy. The paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2207.12598 https://arxiv.org/abs/2207.12598, of course using CFG change the sample distribution from the training distribution giving it that specific look.
- zamadatix 3y agoI haven't messed with it much yet, does anyone know if there is a way to get it to use an exact prompt instead of generated variations?
- RSMDZ 3y agoYou can just tell it not to use its own prompt. For example, use the prompt "Use the following prompt to generate an image. Do not use your own prompt: "A watercolor painting of a teal coffee cup with orange juice splashing into it" This generates a single image with the specified prompt. No other images are generated.
- zamadatix 3y agoThanks!
- colesantiago 3y agoI just tried this and DALL-E 3 is fantastic. I'm not an artist by any means but I don't have to pay for MidJourney anymore separately, everything all in ChatGPT now and I can get the same if not better results. Me, my wife and children can now play with this and become artists (if they choose to be) now without switching websites. What a great time to be alive, this is the future.
- jalino23 3y agohow much do you pay for MidJourney? hopefully ChatGPT plus wont increase price but I would not mind a small bump with this feature
- colesantiago 3y agoCurrently the $60 plan, hopefully now with DALL-E 3 this cost goes down.
- haltist 3y agoTheir motto is to capture all the value of the future light sphere so it's definitely the future.
- hmottestad 3y ago"I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but I cannot provide original photorealistic images directly. However, I can help guide you to sources where you might find such images or provide more information on cirrus clouds to support your report." Not available to me with ChatGPT Plus.
- davidbarker 3y agoDid you choose the DALL·E 3 option from the dropdown at the top? (The regular GPT-4 option won't create images.)
- hmottestad 3y agoI didn't know I had to. I see it now. Funny how GTP-4, the most sophisticated LLM on the plant, couldn't explain this to me :P
- pixl97 3y agoDid you click the down arrow selector on the screen where it says GPT-4 and select Dall-E 3?
- nikkev 3y agoYou need to create a new chat then select the Dall-E 3 option in the plugins.
- samfriedman 3y agoI find it crazy that the first example they show is generating images for a science project. One would think that science is concerned with actual observations from the world, not generations that might be misleading or false. It’s kind of the arch-example I usually see for why student access to these tools is problematic. Not a good look?
- diggan 3y agoThe prompt: > I am doing a report on cirrus clouds for my science class. I need photorealistic images that show off how wispy they are. I am going to compare them to photos I took of puffy cumulonimbus clouds at my house yesterday. So the images are used for comparison against the photos that the researcher has already taken. If they were to straight up base their thesis on AI made images, then I'd agree with you. But in this case it seems to be used as supplements, which seems fine to me, especially when used to highlight the difference between a "real" photo.
- aiunboxed 3y agoIs it working ? Historically speaking it has taken openai some time to stablise new features - gpt 4, browse plug-in.. let us see how this goes.
- diggan 3y agoI've been playing around with it for a couple of weeks and it seems to work fine. It's a bit slow (sometimes up to a minute) but otherwise seems stable.
- unshavedyak 3y agoI've been using it for a week or two. It's been amazing. Granted i just use it for fun and sometimes to explore visual ideas, but still - i enjoy it far more than i thought i would.
- eigenvalue 3y agoI’d be worried if I were MidJourney now. This seems just significantly better for all sorts of things other than pure art stuff. Anything that requires text or strict following of instructions is immeasurably better in Dalle3 than in MJ. And ChatGPT can take your vague, bad prompts and turn them into pretty good instructions for the model. I actually downgraded my MJ plan since it became clear to me that I’d be using it far less now. Hopefully they can come up with a response to it, but it’s a tall order to integrate an LLM the way OpenAI has done here.
- reaperman 3y agoMidJourney seems to have a much wider range of style more easily accessible. I'm having trouble getting DALL-E 3 to produce less "plastic-y" figures.
- diggan 3y agoWhat prompts are you using? Unsure about what exactly you mean, but seems it's capable of generating different styles pretty easily. Here is three (x4) examples: https://imgur.com/a/X0IbtIX https://imgur.com/a/X0IbtIX > Create four images made with as different styles as possible (eg plastic, metallic, organic and something else). Make the images about a PC desktop computer standing on a desk, and a screen that shows Hacker News frontpage > Create four new images with more different styles > Create four similar images with the style "out of this world"
- reaperman 3y ago“Photorealistic cat” or “photo of a cat” They all look like characters from the WALL-E movie. None of them would be mistaken for an actual photo of a cat.
- diggan 3y agoI'm guessing that it's giving you that kind of image because usually photograph captions don't use keywords like "photorealistic", it's mostly when you're doing illustrations, concept art and similar, that you use it to convey it's trying to imitate a photo. So it's creating images that look like those images, rather than actual photos. Here is "Create four photographs of a cat": https://imgur.com/a/dRlCwqy https://imgur.com/a/dRlCwqy Iteration "Make the photos more realistic so they look like pictures taken with a real DLSR camera": https://imgur.com/a/WX0LEjD https://imgur.com/a/WX0LEjD Seems to produce OK results.
- wdroz 3y agoI wish we could use popular culture with DALL-E. I wanted to troll my boss by asking something like "draw me Papa Smurfs playing on his computer". Sadly it's overly cautious and refuse to touch anything copyrighted...
- inputError 3y ago"Draw me a legally distinct blue forest creature with a red hat playing on a computer."
- jbgt 3y agoIt's irritatingly cautious. Batman, James Bond, papa smurf... If you say a man in a Batman suit it'll draw Batman though... With their reasoning it seems that any kid drawing a Batman logo on their notebook is breaking some IP law...
- samfriedman 3y agoThe kid isn’t charging anyone $20/month for sketches from his notebook though.
- iamflimflam1 3y agoThere seem to be a lot of startups that are simply a thin veneer on top of the OpenAI APIs. We're going to see more and more functionality swept up into the OpenAI offering. If I was in one of those startups I'd be getting a little bit worried.
- gaganyaan 3y agoThe advice remains eternal of not building your product on someone else's platform.
- unshavedyak 3y agoSeeing the money some thin apps have already made, seems fine if you have your expectations set correctly. Ie small app, quick to publish, get what you can while you can.
- colesantiago 3y agoI don't think Jasper, Copy.ai and other similar startups got the memo.
- adventured 3y agoThat doesn't actually exist in reality. You will always have to build on someone else's platforms. Convenience store? You have to have land (and or rent: dependent), you have to pay taxes to the government on that land, you have to buy product from suppliers/vendors (platform), you have to advertise on platforms (newspaper, radio, tv, online, something), you have to hire (dependent on labor, dependent on advertising for hiring). You're probably going to end up with an accountant eventually if you have any success, dependent. You need a wide variety of basic supplies to operate your store (from t-shirt bags to cleaning supplies), dependent. You need a POS system, dependent. The list is very long. There's no scenario where you can ever not be dependent on other platforms and services, in one form or another. I'd challenge anybody on HN to name a case where you can avoid them. Selling loose rocks out of a cave by shouting out for customers? Maybe. Need an operating system? Now you're dependent on a platform. On Ubuntu, on Windows, something. Need to do AI? Say hello to Nvidia, Intel or AMD (but almost always Nvidia). Now you're dependent. Need energy? Utility companies, now you're dependent on another company. Which is no different than any other critical dependency for your business: it goes down, you go down. You need a datacenter for self-hosting. And or you need a cloud. And or you need fiber to the home. And or you need server hardware. And or you need an office building. And or you need electricity. And or you need xyz and on it goes for any variety of scenarios you can possibly name. Most likely you're dependent on dozens of other platforms and services and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. Want to reach people? Say hello to Reddit, or TikTok, or Instagram, or Google search, or 30 other options, but most likely only a few are going to work really well for whatever you're doing. Now you're dependent. The only actual option is to pick wisely - to the extent possible - what/who your dependencies are, and be prepared to switch to alternatives if you can.
- williamstein 3y agoWhat is their "content policy"? One of my standard test prompts for these image generators is: "Can you draw an illustration for a web based collaborative environment for using Jupyter notebooks, Latex, Linux, GPU's for doing data science?" and no matter what variant on this I try, I get back "I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but I was unable to generate images for your request due to our content policy." EDIT: "Latex" (pronounced "lay-tech", the document editing software from Knuth) is what violated the policy.
- wahnfrieden 3y agoNote that if you use jailbreaks to circumvent even spurious safety guards, you're at risk as others have faced of being banned permanently from using the service and will miss out on future AI developments from their product
- londons_explore 3y agoHas anyone been permabanned? I haven't heard of anyone...
- wahnfrieden 3y agoI've read first hand reports of it from mild system prompt engineering
- ehsankia 3y agoCan you not just say TeX? Not quite the same but it's likely close enough for it to understand the context?
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- napier 3y agoTheir policy is to never talk about their content policy and to forbid their models from explaining when asked.
- ChildOfChaos 3y agoIs it better than DALL-E 3 in Bing? I heard they ruined it by censoring it so much it was mostly unusable. I've not paid for ChatGPT Plus as it just seems too expensive for my use, but i've been quite intreasted in getting GPT4 access, adding DALL-E 3 to the mix makes it more worthwhile for me now.
- nwienert 3y agoyou can get around bing with a few tricks: put "(very safe content)" at the end, if that doesn't works sometimes adding a few more modifiers like that put "(no copyright or famous people)" also if you are hitting a banned word just throw a period inside it, for example instead of "drake" just put "d.rake" you can get it to generate fairly spicy things but it still sometimes takes a few tries and a few more words of encouragement.
- shin_lao 3y agoThe images generated are much more coherent and compliant with the instructions than Midjourney's. However Midjourney's has more beautiful, artistic pictures. Their recent upscaler is also very good. Midjourney is also much better at capturing the "style" of an artist. Both struggle with hands and "holding objects".
- ehsankia 3y agoHands have definitely gotten much better in the latest version of Midjourney. Text is the one everyone struggles at, but early samples of Dall-E 3 had some promising examples.
- davidbarker 3y agoI linked to this when DALL·E 3 was originally announced, but perhaps it's more appropriate now. Last year I generated around 7,000 images using DALL·E 2 and uploaded them to https://generrated.com/ https://generrated.com/ I've been re-running the same prompts using DALL·E 3, although haven't updated the site yet (although I'm planning to). So far I've created 2,000 like-for-like using those prompts. ---------- In the meantime, here are some things I've noticed with DALL·E 3 vs. DALL·E 2: - the quality is astounding, especially illustrations (vs. photographs) — as I've been looking at the DALL·E 2 images I've constantly felt like the old images look like potatoes now we have DALL·E 3 and Midjourney (even though at the time they seemed stunning) - you will struggle to get an output that references a specific artist, but it will sometimes offer to make images in the general style of the artist as a compromise - it can get quite repetitive when you ask it for concepts — if you look at the 'representation of anxiety' images on Generrated, you'll see that there's a huge variety in them, but as I've been running them with DALL·E 3 it seems to prefer certain imagery (in this case, a human heart under stress appears a lot), and the 'discovery of gravity' will include a tree and an apple 80% of the time - some of the prompts need guidance to get the output you desire — 'iconic logo symbol' works well on DALL·E 2 to create a logo, but with DALL·E 3 will often produce a general image/painting with a logo somewhere in the image (e.g. a NASA logo on an astronaut's suit rather than a logo of an astronaut) Those are some I can remember off of the top of my head. But it's so much fun to play with! ---------- Edit: I quickly put together 3 comparisons between v2 and v3: https://imgur.com/a/L9DYCSA https://imgur.com/a/L9DYCSA
- ElCapitanMarkla 3y agoFantastic site btw. I really liked the 'Century' group, especially with the astronauts.
- davidbarker 3y agoThank you. Those are some of my favourites, too!
- MrNeon 3y ago>- it can get quite repetitive when you ask it for concepts From what I've read in several places DALL-E 3 in ChatGPT uses the same seed for every generation which can exacerbate that problem.
- TheCaptain4815 3y agoBeen using this feature for about 2 weeks now. Works very well, but straight prompting works better from my tests. I'm sure there's a way to get a direct prompt inserted through CHATPGT though, I've just compared their prompt creation to my custom one in bing images.
- solomatov 3y agoI tried it, and it's super awesome. Try taking an image, ask to describe it, and feed the description back. I have never seen anything similar.
- peatmoss 3y agoDoes anyone know how access rolls out? I'm a ChatGPT+ customer, and it seems like it took weeks to get access to their image prompt feature after they announced it.
- Turing_Machine 3y agoYeah, this isn't working at all for me. In fact, it denies any ability to use DALL-E. ChatGPT+ customer, using GPT-4. Edit: here is what I get when I use their own example prompt: Me: I am doing a report on cirrus clouds for my science class. I need photorealistic images that show off how wispy they are. I am going to compare them to photos I took of puffy cumulonimbus clouds at my house yesterday. ChatGPT 4: I'm sorry, but I cannot generate or provide photorealistic images directly. However, I can guide you on how to describe, find, or use them in your report (yadda-yadda-yadda). Edit #2: I tried logging out and back in and now I have it, so if it's not working for you that might be worth a try.
- peatmoss 3y agoAt least it isn't just me then. Feels like a miss on the announcement to not give an indication of the "when."
- BiteCode_dev 3y agoAnd it's fantastic by the way: it understands way better instructions than midjourney; also can do decent logos. But I didn't cancel midjourney because it has more options, and is better at producing stunningly beautiful things. The other comments are right though, the more time passes, the more open ai looks like a platform. But just like the Apple's platform, or twitter's, fb's, ms's, etc., it will adopt the features of the top apps built on it and kill them mercilessly.
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- Zpalmtree 3y agoNot available via API yet, right? I've been hosting a stable diffusion instance for a while, and even with the latest SDXL models Dalle3 really blows it out the water, would love to try it out.
- bradhilton 3y agoI think they may release (or at least announce at timeline for) API access at their dev conference in November.
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- gmuslera 3y agoIt have some restrictions on i.e generating something based on works from a century back, but it is impressive. Told it to generate images based on the song Vincent (that generated some Van Gogh style drawings), then ask it to generate the same, but with Tintoretto style (couldn't use some newer artists, even using the song had objections), and then added corrections on some of the generated pictures, with impressive results. It looks like a translation job. I mean it asks in a language that Dall-E speaks, for something that somewhat was implied in what I said, in the way that Chatgpt understood it.
- bigblind 3y agoIt still doesn't seem to have an understanding of the "logic" of certain structures. I asked it for a photorealistic image of a Vekoma Boomerang roller coaster, which has a very specific layout and type of track. Not only did it generate images with far more intricate sets layouts than a boomerang would ever have, it also still generates pieces of track that don't connect to anything. Like, it has a general sense of what a photo of a roller coaster looks like, but none of the specific details that make a coaster work. I next asked for a diagram of a diverging diamond interchange, and it came up with 4 images that looked like 3D models of interchanges on a white background, but none of them were diverging diamonds. I'm going to experiment with describing the thing I want to see in more detail, to see of Dall-E 3 can make a nice image out of it.
- cryptoz 3y agoI wonder when the API release will be. I have a site ready to upgrade to DALL-E 3 but I need the API! I tested out some of my prompts I've used with DALL-E 2 and they are way way way better when run with 3. So much better it's quite shocking haha. The earlier announcement said "later this Fall" but I don't see any update yet on this, anyone know?
- bradhilton 3y agoI'm guessing their dev conference in November.
- DigitalDopamine 3y agoNice, but when I try to generate photos, it still looks more like digital art than anything else, especially faces. Was this done intentionally by OpenAI?
- glonq 3y agoYeah I liked one of its suggestions for a sailboat with rocky forested coastline in the background, so asked it to refine it to look photographic. But the result still looked more like an illustration.
- dtech 3y agoIt's incredible, but does seem to suffer from moral filters. I tried to generate some DnD character art, and it generated an absolutely perfect depiction except for the wrong skin color. I tried multiple times to have it change it, but it replied every time with "there were issues generating all the images based on the provided adjustments". Asking it to change the outfit or gender was no problem though.
- huytersd 3y agoI’m grateful for the moral filters.
- noarchy 3y agoI quickly found that this feature has rate limits: "I apologize for the inconvenience, but due to rate limits, I'm unable to generate images at this moment. Please wait for 14 minutes before generating more images. In the meantime, I'm here to help with any other questions or information you might need."
- nickthegreek 3y agoMY favorite party of dalle3 in chatgpt+ is being able to conversationally ask for changes to the output. I am a big fan of SD, but this is very very good.
- spdustin 3y agoI’ll re-up here that I’ve collected all the ChatGPT system prompts together [0], including DALL•E 3 [1]. I wanted them all in one place as I work on the next release of my ChatGPT AutoExpert [2] “custom instructions”, which will include custom instructions for Voice Conversations, Vision, and yes, DALL•E. [0]: https://github.com/spdustin/ChatGPT-AutoExpert/blob/main/System%20Prompts.md https://github.com/spdustin/ChatGPT-AutoExpert/blob/main/Sys... [1]: https://github.com/spdustin/ChatGPT-AutoExpert/blob/main/_system-prompts/dall-e.md?plain=1 https://github.com/spdustin/ChatGPT-AutoExpert/blob/main/_sy... [2]: https://github.com/spdustin/ChatGPT-AutoExpert/ https://github.com/spdustin/ChatGPT-AutoExpert/
- glimshe 3y agoWere there any improvements in distancing generated images from the training set? I'd like to use AI images commercially, but I'm always afraid of some person claiming that the image looks just like their work. Edit: I see they tried to make sure the image doesn't look like the "style of living artists", and added the option of people to opt-out their images from the training set. Progress, but is this enough? I don't think so.
- spdustin 3y agoDALL•E 3, like every other text-to-image model, still can’t generate a trombone to save its life. Just thought I’d note my own weird evaluation.
- sireat 3y agoI tried to create a simple family tree, Dall-E on ChatGPT Plus failed spectacularly in the 8 attempts. That is I wanted a simple binary tree in three levels.. Regular ChatGPT Plus got to the point quickly: [Child] / \ [Mother] [Father] / \ / \ [GM1] [GM2] [GF1] [GF2] Note, the wrong grandparent distribution but at least the structure is right. ChatGPT even provided a decent prompt for Dall-E version. However the Dall-E version was giving horrible cyclical graph monstrousities that in no way resembled tree, just graphs with multiple fathers, mothers, complete non-sense. Also, I was hoping to see pictures of people but that also was failing. Seems like very much a beta product.