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The AI-generated porn industry

54 points by CharlesW 3y ago

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WentFullRetard 3y ago
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nojvek 3y ago
It’s only going to get better, no way to put genie back in the box. The whole point of AI/automation is to slowly chip away what needed exclusively humans. From the perspective of folks accessing and paying, does it matter if it is AI or real human if their brain perceives it to be the same?
hhajjaj 3y ago
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hhajjaj 3y ago
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rysertio 3y ago
Most people I know who makes AI porn are kind of on a quest to generate the best porn in the world. It's a very wierd feeling no one understands until they put their first adult prompt in SD.
posnet 3y ago
I assume the anti-porn crowd will still dislike this on the principle that porn is inherently bad, even though one of their main arguments is how the porn industry exploits the performers. And presumably the sex work positive crowd will dislike this because it is taking jobs away from real women.
- digdugdirk 3y ago
  ... Somehow this misses the actual most important issue - people's likeness being used in pornography without their consent.
  - baq 3y ago
    I don’t think there’s much to discuss in this case? The question must assume that people in the generated porn are also 100% no doubt fake
    - jeo123 3y ago
      Probably reverse will happen where look-alike people will cosplay those generated porns. So we can't really say it will be 100% fake.
    - Scarblac 3y ago
      The real money is probably in services that let you upload any photo of a person and delivers custom made porn with that person in it.
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      - resolutebat 3y ago
        This already exists: there are multiple services out there that take a SFW portrait and turn it into a full body nude.
      - Yoric 3y ago
        So... I fully understand porn, but I don't understand that. What is the point of having porn with the specific face of a non porn actor/actress? Is this a fetish I don't get? Artificial revenge porn? Having fun putting the face of $(your least favorite personality) on top of a lascivious body?
        3y ago
rich_sasha 3y ago
We need to figure out what exactly we want to ban. Banning AI generated porn just because we had, since deeply Christian days, banned anything sex related just doesn't make sense anymore as a sole justification. I'm not for it or against it, I just see crusades on this topic based on... well pretty much nothing, just strong convictions.
- 8f2ab37a-ed6c 3y ago
  If you've read enough of these articles, you have heard every permutation of why this is bad based on the author's personal biases and convictions. Subjects are all blonde and white? White supremacy. Subjects are all Asian and submissive? Fetishization of minorities. Fake models cater to male fantasies? Incel chauvinism sets unrealistic expectations for real women. Better than OnlyFans performers? Oppressing a vulnerable sex worker class already struggling with making fair wages. Whatever your personal position, there's a brand-building opportunity for endless sanctimonious tweets.
  - OfSanguineFire 3y ago
    Your post reminds me of a music forum I’m on where a lot of regulars seem to have got bored discussing music, and now are more keen on discussing how a certain band or genre is either harmful to whatever minority, or progressive and liberatory for whatever minority. Room for endless sanctimonious tweets indeed. How did contemporary anglophone society end up like this?
    - 8f2ab37a-ed6c 3y ago
      Being a victim, or a righteous defender of victims, is a guaranteed source of prestige and lift in status in the anglosphere's college-educated middle class.
      - Probiotic6081 3y ago
        Being kind to other people will make you more likeable, truly takes a place like HN to frame compassion and solidarity as something bad:D
ToucanLoucan 3y ago
Not to change drastically from the subject matter of the original article, but I think really the most troubling thing to me listed here is how willing many men are to interacting with openly fake AI accounts on these apps. And this is not meant at all to mock these men, I'm genuinely concerned for the welfare of the kind of man who is so deprived and isolated of attention that he's ready to swipe his credit card for an AI-powered chat-bot with generated titties to tell him it loves him. It makes me think of all the Replika users who got (somewhat rightfully I feel) pissed off when they paywalled erotic/romantic engagement. Again, not judgement. Pity. I feel bad for these people who are so without any kind of social connections and/or the ability to get them that chat bots feel like their only options. There are so many social sicknesses here that technical and market solutions are attempting to band-aid and it's genuinely depressing. Also as an aside, using real people's faces for deepfake pornography should be prosecuted just like any other kind of sexual assault with similar consequences. That shit is disgusting and I will not respond to any comment saying otherwise, I don't care if you didn't actually touch her, or whatever excuse you have on offer. You have created exploitative material of a sexual nature without consent, that's assault, period, paragraph.
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  Those sad men aren't necessarily interacting with AI-powered chat bots. OnlyFans models have been outsourcing their chatting with fans to workers in the developing world for years now. As anglophone countries, Nigeria and Kenya have been able to draw a lot of this outsourcing, and the person pretending to be the model is male probably more often than not.
  - ToucanLoucan 3y ago
    I mean, even the "best" version of this is men ready to put down money to interact with a performer which is some combination of AI/exploited overseas worker/exploited sex worker to attempt via the only way they see as viable to fill the yawning chasm of loneliness in their souls. That's still depressing.
    - 3y ago
what-no-tests 3y ago
OK so this could go multiple ways. On the one hand, they might be very specific, like "anything other than the Missionary Position between heterosexual couples of the same race and age are banned." On the other hand, they might have a 100-page document filled with legalese that nobody understands, nor follows. Perhaps we could look at this from another perspective: If we were in North Korea, how would they regulate the use of AI for the reproduction of the likeness of the Dear Leader? Edit: To put it another way: * They either define in clear terms what IS allowed. * Or they define in clear terms what IS NOT allowed.
- jlawson 3y ago
  Nah, they're not limited to your options. They don't have to define anything - they can just keep the rules secret and punish/reward as they like without explaining anything. It keeps everyone on their toes, forces over-compliance, and it's easier too! What's the point of having power if you don't get to be arbitrary after all? All the megacorps do it, from Visa to PayPal to Facebook, Google, Meta, Reddit, and so on.
CrzyLngPwd 3y ago
I hope that the rise of machine generated porn, and other such content, leads to the realisation that it's all empty of value anyway, and always has been. Then, millions of people will finally get back focusing on useful uses of their time.
- flusensieb 3y ago
  Why would machine generated porn be different from, say, machine generated minecraft worlds? Both seem useful as a form of distraction and for entertainment to whomever wants to enjoy it.
  - CrzyLngPwd 3y ago
    Agreed, and that's exactly what it is. A distraction.
    - flusensieb 3y ago
      And distraction is a bad thing because humans can focus on useful things 24/7 while being productive?
      - CrzyLngPwd 3y ago
        If it's distracting you from important things, like being in the real world, forming relationships and building your life, then it's a bad thing. When it's something like porn, which has no value and is highly addictive, then it's a bad thing. Humans need sleep and can't focus on anything 24/7 for longer than a day or so.
- LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
  That’s not how addiction tends to work, unfortunately.
  - kergonath 3y ago
    Everything is addictive to some people. In the end, porn is entertainment, just like video games.
markstos 3y ago
Check out the cookie consent details on that page. They are telling you straight up that they'd like to your permission to share your data with 100 to almost 700 partners depending on the permission. I've never seen so many trackers connected to a single cookie!
- dylan604 3y ago
  As the old adage says "porn doesn't pay, but hoarding user's data does!!!"
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- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
  I am not in the adtech space, but a question I have always wondered. Does the monetization rate of the tracker go down if the site will embed anyone and everyone? That is, if Site A embeds 5 trackers, but Site B uses 500 would each of the sites receive the same revenue per tracker?
PopAlongKid 3y ago
Also posted six months ago, different article but no comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35337233 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35337233
LegitShady 3y ago
I don't think I agree with the premise. I don't think people are willing to pay money for pictures in general. There are many many nude picturesets online with women whose bodies are similarly idealized but are actual people. Without the video component I can't see people shelling out memberships, and video generation isn't as far along or as simple to do as image generation. I also don't think AI models can fool humans in terms of "fan engagement" for any significant period of time.
Madmallard 3y ago
Did they forget the part where AI generated porn is terrible quality?
moribvndvs 3y ago
Neat, page after page of Kardashian clones, just like Instagram influencers or going out on the town. What a bizarre time to be alive.
- Melting_Harps 3y ago
  > By 2025, over half of the top OnlyFans accounts will be AI-generated models secretly run by men. Damn, well there goes my senior project idea... I got the inspiration from YT cracker: Push the gas - escalate the gauges Escalate hits on our camgirls' pages Blaze it and hit em with a script full of sexy phrases Slow down and turn the corner We been cornering the game since the five and quarter Represent that nerd world order Replacing all the brick and mortar Sending mails off an auto forwarder From a girl in florida with a case of boredom And you can't ignore em cuz the filters weak Into the inbox they all creep while you sleep There is enough content out there to train models to do this, and scraping all the social media for more content made this inevitable. Back in 2019 I went to an album release party, indie label artist, and I saw the cover of the album and it looked pretty damn near a girl I worked at but... Cyberpunked hero. I was shocked of not just the resemblance (the face had a lot of detail) but of how likely the ability to this had started to become commonplace with deepfakes starting to hit their stride. Weeks later I was talking to her friend, and mentioned it in passing: she asked me to show it to her as she thought it was funny, so I did. Her response was not what I expected: 'Wow, you think I look like that? I guess I'm really hot.' Honestly, this is why I always questioned the implicit disorienting nature of online dating apps and their effects on the psyche as non=participating observor: there was a mantra back in the late 90s early 2000s that 'no girls are on the internet' [0], with hindsight it turns out it wasn't just pervy dudes catfishing, but it would end up being bots run and operated for profit by said guys. Bizarre times indeed. 0: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/there-are-no-girls-on-the-internet https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/there-are-no-girls-on-the-int...
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54 points by CharlesW 3y ago

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WentFullRetard 3y ago

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nojvek 3y ago

It’s only going to get better, no way to put genie back in the box. The whole point of AI/automation is to slowly chip away what needed exclusively humans. From the perspective of folks accessing and paying, does it matter if it is AI or real human if their brain perceives it to be the same?

hhajjaj 3y ago

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hhajjaj 3y ago

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rysertio 3y ago

Most people I know who makes AI porn are kind of on a quest to generate the best porn in the world. It's a very wierd feeling no one understands until they put their first adult prompt in SD.

posnet 3y ago

I assume the anti-porn crowd will still dislike this on the principle that porn is inherently bad, even though one of their main arguments is how the porn industry exploits the performers. And presumably the sex work positive crowd will dislike this because it is taking jobs away from real women.

digdugdirk 3y ago
... Somehow this misses the actual most important issue - people's likeness being used in pornography without their consent.
- baq 3y ago
  I don’t think there’s much to discuss in this case? The question must assume that people in the generated porn are also 100% no doubt fake
  - jeo123 3y ago
    Probably reverse will happen where look-alike people will cosplay those generated porns. So we can't really say it will be 100% fake.
  - Scarblac 3y ago
    The real money is probably in services that let you upload any photo of a person and delivers custom made porn with that person in it.
    - deleted 3y ago
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    - resolutebat 3y ago
      This already exists: there are multiple services out there that take a SFW portrait and turn it into a full body nude.
    - Yoric 3y ago
      So... I fully understand porn, but I don't understand that. What is the point of having porn with the specific face of a non porn actor/actress? Is this a fetish I don't get? Artificial revenge porn? Having fun putting the face of $(your least favorite personality) on top of a lascivious body?
      - 3y ago

rich_sasha 3y ago

We need to figure out what exactly we want to ban. Banning AI generated porn just because we had, since deeply Christian days, banned anything sex related just doesn't make sense anymore as a sole justification. I'm not for it or against it, I just see crusades on this topic based on... well pretty much nothing, just strong convictions.

8f2ab37a-ed6c 3y ago
If you've read enough of these articles, you have heard every permutation of why this is bad based on the author's personal biases and convictions. Subjects are all blonde and white? White supremacy. Subjects are all Asian and submissive? Fetishization of minorities. Fake models cater to male fantasies? Incel chauvinism sets unrealistic expectations for real women. Better than OnlyFans performers? Oppressing a vulnerable sex worker class already struggling with making fair wages. Whatever your personal position, there's a brand-building opportunity for endless sanctimonious tweets.
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  Your post reminds me of a music forum I’m on where a lot of regulars seem to have got bored discussing music, and now are more keen on discussing how a certain band or genre is either harmful to whatever minority, or progressive and liberatory for whatever minority. Room for endless sanctimonious tweets indeed. How did contemporary anglophone society end up like this?
  - 8f2ab37a-ed6c 3y ago
    Being a victim, or a righteous defender of victims, is a guaranteed source of prestige and lift in status in the anglosphere's college-educated middle class.
    - Probiotic6081 3y ago
      Being kind to other people will make you more likeable, truly takes a place like HN to frame compassion and solidarity as something bad:D

ToucanLoucan 3y ago

Not to change drastically from the subject matter of the original article, but I think really the most troubling thing to me listed here is how willing many men are to interacting with openly fake AI accounts on these apps. And this is not meant at all to mock these men, I'm genuinely concerned for the welfare of the kind of man who is so deprived and isolated of attention that he's ready to swipe his credit card for an AI-powered chat-bot with generated titties to tell him it loves him. It makes me think of all the Replika users who got (somewhat rightfully I feel) pissed off when they paywalled erotic/romantic engagement. Again, not judgement. Pity. I feel bad for these people who are so without any kind of social connections and/or the ability to get them that chat bots feel like their only options. There are so many social sicknesses here that technical and market solutions are attempting to band-aid and it's genuinely depressing. Also as an aside, using real people's faces for deepfake pornography should be prosecuted just like any other kind of sexual assault with similar consequences. That shit is disgusting and I will not respond to any comment saying otherwise, I don't care if you didn't actually touch her, or whatever excuse you have on offer. You have created exploitative material of a sexual nature without consent, that's assault, period, paragraph.

OfSanguineFire 3y ago
Those sad men aren't necessarily interacting with AI-powered chat bots. OnlyFans models have been outsourcing their chatting with fans to workers in the developing world for years now. As anglophone countries, Nigeria and Kenya have been able to draw a lot of this outsourcing, and the person pretending to be the model is male probably more often than not.
- ToucanLoucan 3y ago
  I mean, even the "best" version of this is men ready to put down money to interact with a performer which is some combination of AI/exploited overseas worker/exploited sex worker to attempt via the only way they see as viable to fill the yawning chasm of loneliness in their souls. That's still depressing.
  - 3y ago

what-no-tests 3y ago

OK so this could go multiple ways. On the one hand, they might be very specific, like "anything other than the Missionary Position between heterosexual couples of the same race and age are banned." On the other hand, they might have a 100-page document filled with legalese that nobody understands, nor follows. Perhaps we could look at this from another perspective: If we were in North Korea, how would they regulate the use of AI for the reproduction of the likeness of the Dear Leader? Edit: To put it another way: * They either define in clear terms what IS allowed. * Or they define in clear terms what IS NOT allowed.

jlawson 3y ago
Nah, they're not limited to your options. They don't have to define anything - they can just keep the rules secret and punish/reward as they like without explaining anything. It keeps everyone on their toes, forces over-compliance, and it's easier too! What's the point of having power if you don't get to be arbitrary after all? All the megacorps do it, from Visa to PayPal to Facebook, Google, Meta, Reddit, and so on.

CrzyLngPwd 3y ago

I hope that the rise of machine generated porn, and other such content, leads to the realisation that it's all empty of value anyway, and always has been. Then, millions of people will finally get back focusing on useful uses of their time.

flusensieb 3y ago
Why would machine generated porn be different from, say, machine generated minecraft worlds? Both seem useful as a form of distraction and for entertainment to whomever wants to enjoy it.
- CrzyLngPwd 3y ago
  Agreed, and that's exactly what it is. A distraction.
  - flusensieb 3y ago
    And distraction is a bad thing because humans can focus on useful things 24/7 while being productive?
    - CrzyLngPwd 3y ago
      If it's distracting you from important things, like being in the real world, forming relationships and building your life, then it's a bad thing. When it's something like porn, which has no value and is highly addictive, then it's a bad thing. Humans need sleep and can't focus on anything 24/7 for longer than a day or so.
LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
That’s not how addiction tends to work, unfortunately.
- kergonath 3y ago
  Everything is addictive to some people. In the end, porn is entertainment, just like video games.

markstos 3y ago

Check out the cookie consent details on that page. They are telling you straight up that they'd like to your permission to share your data with 100 to almost 700 partners depending on the permission. I've never seen so many trackers connected to a single cookie!

dylan604 3y ago
As the old adage says "porn doesn't pay, but hoarding user's data does!!!"
deleted 3y ago
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0cf8612b2e1e 3y ago
I am not in the adtech space, but a question I have always wondered. Does the monetization rate of the tracker go down if the site will embed anyone and everyone? That is, if Site A embeds 5 trackers, but Site B uses 500 would each of the sites receive the same revenue per tracker?

PopAlongKid 3y ago

Also posted six months ago, different article but no comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35337233 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35337233

LegitShady 3y ago

I don't think I agree with the premise. I don't think people are willing to pay money for pictures in general. There are many many nude picturesets online with women whose bodies are similarly idealized but are actual people. Without the video component I can't see people shelling out memberships, and video generation isn't as far along or as simple to do as image generation. I also don't think AI models can fool humans in terms of "fan engagement" for any significant period of time.

Madmallard 3y ago

Did they forget the part where AI generated porn is terrible quality?

moribvndvs 3y ago

Neat, page after page of Kardashian clones, just like Instagram influencers or going out on the town. What a bizarre time to be alive.

Melting_Harps 3y ago
> By 2025, over half of the top OnlyFans accounts will be AI-generated models secretly run by men. Damn, well there goes my senior project idea... I got the inspiration from YT cracker: Push the gas - escalate the gauges Escalate hits on our camgirls' pages Blaze it and hit em with a script full of sexy phrases Slow down and turn the corner We been cornering the game since the five and quarter Represent that nerd world order Replacing all the brick and mortar Sending mails off an auto forwarder From a girl in florida with a case of boredom And you can't ignore em cuz the filters weak Into the inbox they all creep while you sleep There is enough content out there to train models to do this, and scraping all the social media for more content made this inevitable. Back in 2019 I went to an album release party, indie label artist, and I saw the cover of the album and it looked pretty damn near a girl I worked at but... Cyberpunked hero. I was shocked of not just the resemblance (the face had a lot of detail) but of how likely the ability to this had started to become commonplace with deepfakes starting to hit their stride. Weeks later I was talking to her friend, and mentioned it in passing: she asked me to show it to her as she thought it was funny, so I did. Her response was not what I expected: 'Wow, you think I look like that? I guess I'm really hot.' Honestly, this is why I always questioned the implicit disorienting nature of online dating apps and their effects on the psyche as non=participating observor: there was a mantra back in the late 90s early 2000s that 'no girls are on the internet' [0], with hindsight it turns out it wasn't just pervy dudes catfishing, but it would end up being bots run and operated for profit by said guys. Bizarre times indeed. 0: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/there-are-no-girls-on-the-internet https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/there-are-no-girls-on-the-int...
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